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1/3 Flopped bottom 2 pr into a LAG 1/3 Flopped bottom 2 pr into a LAG

01-01-2013 , 07:21 PM
I busted out of a 100 person tourney early and got my name on the list to start a 1/3 nl table. Table gets going pretty soon after and we start with 6 players. I have never played here and there are what appears to be two regs two total fish (like bad) and one LAG who isn't a reg. I quickly realize I only have $200 with me and left my BR debit card at home but I watch everyone buy in for $100-$200 so I figure it would be ok and came to grips that I wouldn't be making any real money tonight possibly, but just killing time. (btw my buddy who I drove with was still in the tourney). We are maybe 30 hands in and I have already seen the LAG to my left c bet all the way down one of the regs who was calling with a spade draw and caught it on the river. The LAG had complete air with A8 and lost, saying oh I didn't even see the flush when the reg won the pot. Other pots he was always re raising people and such. Playing garbage typical fish playing a LAGs part.

Reg, villain and hero are all sitting around $200

Ok the hand. I'm bb cards are being dealt as my buddy walks in on break from the tourney, I tell him out loud I left my br at home and he laughs. Lag utg limps mp fold reg folds bottun reg calls, small blind calls I check with 5c2c, flop 52A rainbow sb check, I bet $8 utg villain calls, bottun reg raises to $20 I look week (like seriously I looked week, not on purpose, mostly thinking about how I didn't have my br) and pop it to $50 villain raises all in to $190 reg folds I think for a while asked him if he had heard me say I didn't ave my br with me and he laughed. What's my move?

Last edited by kdready; 01-01-2013 at 07:30 PM.
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01-01-2013 , 07:31 PM
I probably wouldn't have put the 3b in unless I was planning on getting it in on the flop. When he shoves, our 2pair turns into a bluff catcher. We'd assume AK-A10 he probably raises preflop, so I think best case scenerio he has a hand like A3 (Top-pair with a gutter).

So my advice:
1. Flat the reraise to $20
2. Fold after he shoves.
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01-01-2013 , 07:36 PM
Yea, I knew(felt) like the raise would push the button to fold I figured the utg would fold to after a 3b (i wasn't watching him only had a read on the button) I don't like show down on B2 when button has a week A to easy to be beat by the river. But I figure button had me pegged as a tight player and would fold a weak A.

But after looking weak, and the comment about the money I wondered if utg was trying to bully.

If I flat the re raise and say utg didn't jam but folded, how do I play on the turn if say a 8 or other non scare card comes out.

Last edited by kdready; 01-01-2013 at 07:44 PM.
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01-01-2013 , 07:50 PM
Sorry no computer and my phone is terrible.

Even though it would mean watching the tourney the rest of the day, I felt like if my br was behind me I would have called. I don't want to play scare even if it means playing for fun for the rest of the night, I guess thats not fun to me. So I played it as I would if the br was with me and I called. Not sure if that's the right call? But he had A5 and took it down.
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01-01-2013 , 08:13 PM
If villain is bluffing here it is a little crazy since he is bluffing into bigtime strength - a raise and reraise. Your hand is at the very bottom of your bet/3-bet range otf and I don't see how you can call here.

I often check and hope LAG bets here otf, then evaluate. You should embrace having a player like this on your left.
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01-01-2013 , 09:02 PM
V is never bluffing here, this is always at least two pair on the flop and since you have the worst two pair, you are almost always beat.
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01-02-2013 , 06:55 PM
Thanks guys, after mulling it over I see more clearly now. There is this one donk that shoves all the time like that in a .50/1.00$ game I play. Who I always catch. Guess I got to remember most will be at least a slight bit better then that. At least till I get use to them.

Man I love poker, I have always been a tourney player that move into cash games this past year and its a blast. Still got a long ways to go!
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01-02-2013 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TripleH68
If villain is bluffing here it is a little crazy since he is bluffing into bigtime strength - a raise and reraise. Your hand is at the very bottom of your bet/3-bet range otf and I don't see how you can call here.

I often check and hope LAG bets here otf, then evaluate. You should embrace having a player like this on your left.
Much rather have him on my right
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01-02-2013 , 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleH68
If villain is bluffing here it is a little crazy since he is bluffing into bigtime strength - a raise and reraise. Your hand is at the very bottom of your bet/3-bet range otf and I don't see how you can call here.

I often check and hope LAG bets here otf, then evaluate. You should embrace having a player like this on your left.
I agree, his 4 bet is rarely a bluff. He expects and wants you to call him here. It smells like A2, A5, a straight, or a set, and basically nothing else.
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01-02-2013 , 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleH68
If villain is bluffing here it is a little crazy since he is bluffing into bigtime strength - a raise and reraise. Your hand is at the very bottom of your bet/3-bet range otf and I don't see how you can call here.

I often check and hope LAG bets here otf, then evaluate. You should embrace having a player like this on your left.
Disaggree here. Not with the read, but the advice to play passive. Bottom 2 here, while being a powerful hand, is very vulnerable. Better to get aggressive right away and either charge premium to draw or find out early in the hand you've got trouble.
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