You mentioned this in another thread and despite our personal wars on this topic, this is actually pretty ****ing accurate. Your theory is correct, people go to war with marginal hands because the other guy "missed with AK" but then fold/hem and haw about huge ones because they see monsters under the bed. It's pretty comical actually.

When a good online player shows up at a live game he will destroy it even with the adjustment period. see the adjustment you guys talk about is just playing with loose passives, and it's a shock for a mid/high stakes reg to go to a live game and realize that everybody is so bad, so all of the skills we've learned to play against other good players are completely useless and we have to completely strip down our games and play like we played in the micros.

i'm talking about most live games here, some live players are very good but this live style you refer to just means you're bad and you like to see a lot of flops

but we all know how to exploit fish, it just takes some time for a new live player to realize that most live players are guys that would create a 10 deep waiting list on a 2/4 table online

Most good online players, if forced to adjust, CAN adjust to the live game. A lot of online hotshots do lose in the live game even when they try, but if they tried often enough and their livelihood depended on it(as opposed to playing online being their main gig) they'd crush the game. There's a % of players who are not comfortable in a live setting and therefore can't do as well, but that's a small %.

However, can exclusively-live players adjust to the online game and crush the same stakes? NO... because they don't have the same skillset. 5/10 live doesn't need to same skillset as 5/10 online, while if you crush 5/10 online you have the skillset to crush 25/50 live.

Some of these meme's are very funny but also true... OP have you ever talked strategy with some of the online winners who happen to sit in the 5/10 live game? I'll tell you a story.... 3 weeks ago I was playing 5/10 live and about to rack up and this old chap who is a winner in the game was dying for a beer. So was I, so I said wanna meet me at the bar, and he did. We chatted for an hour, mostly poker strategy. This guy was a winner in the 5 times I'd played with him, but surprisingly he wasn't even putting people on ranges!!! Let alone thinking about what range people would put him on!!!! He said his "intuition" allows him to read hands, but when I told him what I do(put someone on a range, adjust that range based on action each street, think of my action and what range they'd put me on each street, think of the type of player he is before making a decision, calculate pot odds implied odds expectation fold equity etc) he was like "WTF... come on you don't need to do all that to crush this game.. that stuff exists in books and not real life poker...."

I kinda regret telling him what I did then... but it just tells you right there the guy, a 5/10 live winner, had no chance beating even 1/2 online. Oh, and since then for some reason this guy has started to run big bluffs on me thinking that because of the way I played as I told him, that his irrational bluffs would confuse me or something... and of course I picked him off each time.

There are some wayyyy bigger winners online and I have no doubt they would just crush "live winners" like this guy... as well as you OP.

important to note, most of the multitabling mid20s online players that you say are getting creamed probably arent pros. first hourly earns of online pros make live games such a waste of our time that we rarely if ever play in them. and second when we do I've never see an online pro tell the other people at the table that he was a multitabling online pro. simply put most of us have some idea of our table image and we know that telling people we are a pro is bad for business. and finally most online pros that I know are very casual and have a few cocktails when playing live. I mean lets be honest its a ****ing joke, so there's no reason not to relax and have some fun.

so the guys that you see getting creamed for a few buyins are very likely just over aggro 20 yr old recreational players that tell people they are pro because they think it makes them look cool. Since I turned pro I've a met a few actual pros, but I've met at least a dozen people that have told me they were pro for awhile, or their friend was or some nonsense. And very quickly after listening to them talk about the game I can ascertain that they are not nor have they ever played professionally.

It's amazing to me during tournament time like WSOP or WPT that you can meet a ton of guys who are there for the tournaments and say they're "PRO" but when conversation gets deeper you find out that they are breakeven at best if not losing players.. but have just scored big once or twice and are traveling around relying on STAKING to play these tournaments...

To me being a "pro" should mean that you're making as much if not more from poker than you could from any other job that you could get while working the same amount of hours per week.

courage wolf making an A+ thread here

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The majority of real pros have absolutely no interest in playing live poker.

I ran into a bunch of high school friends I hadn't seen in years. When they found out I played online poker for a living, they immediately all said, "Let's hang out tonight and play some poker."

My response was, "Yeah, and then later tonight, let's drive to your office and file some paperwork. This night is gonna be awesome!"

all posts should be accompanied by a courage wolf imo

This. I am not saying the best online players are better than the live players but there is just way more fish in general. Maybe you play in a deeper game than 100bb or an ante where 30 raises pre might not be standard, but any good online player can adjust to this. Luckily for me I started out live so I don't get impatient when playing. That is the only weakness I can see an online grinder having on your average live table. Play 400nl online then play 500nl live. Its not even close

welcome to the MTT community,

a grand lesson in denial

Ooh, so that's what I've been doing wrong all this time. Genious

thread has turned from F to A+, most of those pics are amazing that i'm having a tough time picking even a top 5 from them let alone the best.

The first 3 by Melon and the 2 by Yugless are pure wins.

You guys don't even make a reasonable attempt at avoiding online player stereotypes.

BUT HOW MUCH DID YOU LOSE 2OUTSNOPROB

Good thing we can always count on you for originality.

yo i dont think i know one MSNL HSNL grinder living in their mom's basement.

never really got that one.

i was talking to a staked live mtt "pro" at WPT foxwoods last year and he was like blah blah an he was like oh so you're one of those 20 tabling cash players, let me guess you live in your mom's basement.

this is after me telling him i'm not staked and on my own and don't believe in being staked. but i wonder if he really expects someone playing 10k mtt's on their own $ to be living in their parents basement. and if so, how does he expect me to think a live staked mtt pro has better living conditions

guess im odd