And this guy saying that Live players are good... Haha.

Well haven't you heard the saying "winners raise losers call"? Add to that "winners fold marginal hands losers call" and you got the difference between the majority of online regs vs live regs. Oh and I play both live & online so I'm not biased like you lol.

I have no idea why I'm posting in this thread (I think this one and others like it are ******ed and suck the life out of these forums.)
Most 'live' players do suck and nobody is disputing that. Maybe 5-10% of them are any good and they win all the money.
Online poker is much harder to beat... PERIOD! You'll find way tougher games at 50nl on Full Tilt than at any 2/5 or 5/5 game running anywhere in the world. The player pool has way less fish and only 5-10% of the regulars are consistent winners there as well.
That is why I now play 'live' for a living (no 'baller' lifestyle but a good living none the less.) I would much rather play online for the convenience but what can I say, it's hard! The game moves too fast, feels too much like work and I am a proven loser on the 'virtual' felt. I can play 30-40 hours a week and make $1000 or better without much trouble at all. After you add a couple 'passive' revenue streams I do quite well. I have a nice house, 2 kids that cost a fortune and a hot girlfriend that costs even more. I grinded a real job for many years, that was no fun, this is much better (not fun but better.)
To be fair, it's only been about a year since I pulled back from 'real work' and started playing poker to pay the majority of my bills so maybe you should discount most of what I say. I don't set my sights too high and have a very large bankroll for the games I play so going 'busto' is not really in the cards. My house was not paid for by poker but my mortgage now is. My cars no, insurance yes. My kids no, braces, guitar lessons, XBox 360, etc, etc... I think you get the point.
I come here (2p2) to learn from online players that are better than me. I post hand histories here to get opinions from online players that are better than me. Most of you guys see more hands in a weekend than I'll see in my lifetime. You know more about the game than I'll ever know and a lot of you aren't old enough to drink yet (legally of course.) You're just starting to abuse your minds and bodies with drugs and booze, I've already had to quit! Point being, I don't want to play with you, I just want to learn from you. I only post advice in 'live' threads, lurk everywhere else and totally appreciate all the advice that is given to me.
Hope I wasn't too long winded (I'm posting this from my Blackberry for ****sake!)
Peace

I post hands sometimes to but the thing is peoples ranges in live games are so different then online games. It's such a different pace and the money is different a 5/10 game online is played like a 2/5 game live and a 5/10 game live is played like a 10/20 game live. Honestly your right there is alot of bad live players thats why i play live but there are thinking players. Online no one is really bad anymore because of that law that passed and everyone goes on this forum and gets as much advice as possible. I enjoy playing live more because once you get a groove going at the table its pretty easy to run it over you have a good idea about how the pace of the game is going and everyones image and make a good profit for the session. You get to communicate with people and not nessasarily make friends but people wont try to make plays against you or they will let u see the flush draw for cheap by checking to you. Its just more profitable to play live when you have the biggest poker room 20 minutes from your house. I bought onto Fulltilt with 200 dollars for fun 1 day and 4 tables the .50/1 i ran it to 4 grand in like 3 weeks just playing all day and after 3 weeks i was playing 2/4 3/6 at least 2 of each table. So its not hard its just EXTREMELY BORING. You will NEVER EVER EVER see a raise online over 3x the blind but live if its not 4.5 or over your getting called by the whole table.

Some People enjoy not leaving their chair for 12 hours playing the same regs that play JUST LIKE THEM and everyone who wants to me DURRR in the online world and some poeple would rather play an overnight session with drunk idiots who give their money away. I thought playing for a living was all about game selection and making money. Not whos the best.

I know if i could sit at a table with all good thinking regs or a table with 8 drunk armenians coming to drop 2k after a night at the club im picking the second table

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

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you contradicted what you said earlier about live players being good, and you also touched on why live poker is so good

Fackers, what the **** are you talking about? Please tell me english is your second language! 5/10 is like 2/5 is like 10/20 is like 'are you serious?' You make a few valid points but they're surrounded by such idiocy people have no choice but to flame you. Please stop these stupid threads before us live players end up posting with those 'Sling Blade Mutha ****ers' over in B&M! TY

5/10 game online is played like a 2/5 game live AS FAR AS THE BETTEING GOES. 30 dollars preflop and a 90 dollar 3 bet is standard in a live 2/5 game. A 5/10 game live is played like a 10/20 game online. You will never see a preflop open for less then 50 in the 5/10 live game ever. In the 10/20 game live a stardard open is 90-140.

Fackers as a player who has both played live and online could you explain to me why the different bet sizing in live games? I mean this has to be more than just some observation, explain.

Is there any possible way we can get proof of this?

^ does it matter?

I figure if he is telling the truth about his online experience, he must be telling the truth about live play........?

lol bank statements of cashing in 200 and cashing out 3500 in a 3 month spand? I wouldnt make that up

Was this a recent exspewiment for you....within the year?

Grimstarr once ran $50 into $1,000,000 so he must be the super champion of no limit texas hold'em pokerz in the universe.

It's differnet bet sizing because the game is way more loose then online. People arent afraid to play out of position even though its to their disadvantage they do hit hands and if ONE player calls a preflop open i promise you your getting 2-3 more callers. Like ive been saying from the begining its a completely different game then online and its annoying when a 2/4 online grinder making 12 dollar preflop raises trys to say LIVE PLAYERS

How about instead of arguing with this nimrod everyone stops posting in the thread? This is the stupidest argument I have ever seen.

It would probably be easier for you to post your screen name and the site you played.

I can't believe I'm posting in this thread again. 2/5 live is like 5/10 online because of the opening raises? If someone opens for $30 in a 2/5 game and gets one caller it sets up a pot of ~$65 with anywhere from $300-$600 behind (if you're not deep stacked.) This sets up an SPR of between four and 10. Online the SPR would be closer to 15. Also, post flop betting has almost nothing to do with the size of the pot; this is almost never the case online. People will chase and chase (and chase) live and they will take a nut flush draw to the bitter end. Only winners 3bet (a lot) live; everybody 3bets online and semi-bluffs are a total waste of time when you play live and tend to cost you money. Oh ya, at a 5/10 game online every second player is a pro (or has at least read a poker book or two) while in a casino eight out of every 10 players are ****ing droolers. Your original post is flawed (not to mention a complete waste of time.) Please let this thread die (this is my last post here... no matter what is said.)

fwiw: this post doesn't even scratch the surface of the differences between live and online play. let's not bruise anymore egos here by insulting live players and threads like these will go away. it's a different game full of weak players/tourists (and the winning players are in 'the know' and love it.)

I believe him. He just forgot to mention the other 50 times he bot in for 200 and went busto.

OP, what is your obsession with opening bet sizes? The reason the bet sizes are so different is because you have so many fish live that are looking to get some action. When you only play 25 hands and hour, and you just drove 30-60 mins to get to the poker room, park the truck, and get seated at the table, you're looking to play more hands. Therefore, there are a lot of multi-way pots and you have to raise more to get people off a hand. This does not mean the games are tougher - in fact, it's a sign the games are WEAKER. Think about it.

and this is one of the many reasons online players >>>>>>>>>>>>> live players

lol @ you thinking opening for 10bb is good poker.

oh I get it now. Are you live players willing to share the secret of how to play vs a weak opponent who plays weak hands out of position? I think if the online players figured this one out they'd at least be competetive

Fackers, do you think you'd be willing to do a Well?

i wonder if in the not so distant future live Blackjack players will
argue with online Blackjack players about who's more real...

how does this nitpicking improve your game, fackers?
why are you compelled to carry the banner?
is your fight with cocky onliners, or the people at your table?

i love you all I hope you all get richrichrichrich!

I must be one of the special 20% of online players that doesnt get crushed in a equivalent stakes live game.