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Old 05-27-2012, 12:30 PM   #1
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Heart How to disguise a flopped flush

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Just curious how my flush would look the most disguised.

I've been sitting at the table a few hours and have been playing pretty solid, no real 3 betting, no crazy bluffs except a few hands into the session. I made one call with queen high and was good a few hands earlier for an 800 pot.

Villain 1: some Asian lady, she played really aggressive earlier and has since quieted down, she has about 1300. She plays top pair pretty fast.

Villain 2: Just sat down hasn't played many hands except he got kings and flopped a set and raised the flop to take it down. He has about 600

Hand in question, I cover everyone.

Get dealt Q9 after 2 limps I make it 45 on the button.
Asian lady and Villain 2 call

Flop AK10
Asian lady leads 105, villain 2 calls, I call. (Maybe I should raise here, but I flopped the nuts in position and don't want to scare anyone out)

Turn is a Q
Asian lady bets 300, villain 2 folds, hero?

Do I raise here or just wait until the river to see what happens?
I feel like either raise is going to be really strong, but I may be able to get one more bet on the river out of her?
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Old 05-27-2012, 02:23 PM   #2
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Re: How to disguise a flopped flush

SHIP imo she probably has a hand like AJ (maybe even AxJh) or a small flush, you might lose value on a heart river (if she has a hand like 87hh or Jx without the Jh)

When she double barrels the Q which gives 4 to a str8 into 2 people she always have at least the str8 or a flush, but i doubt she is folding these hands to a turn shove (i guess something smaller would be weird bc it would be for 50+% of the remaining eff stack)
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Old 05-27-2012, 03:48 PM   #3
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Re: How to disguise a flopped flush

flat again and pop em on the river
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Old 05-27-2012, 05:36 PM   #4
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Re: How to disguise a flopped flush

its pretty close between shoving and calling here
but even if she has AJ unless shes got J of heart, she cannot call here. And even then it's a questionable call. Then let's say she has flopped small flushy, then she can call here because of a sick turn card that you can rep the straight here..

I would actually prefer calling here because of her range being limited to straight/smaller flush. With that range, she will bet again on the river. (if it's a heart, and she had AJ without J of heart, assuming she will fold to shove on turn anyway) then this is great spot to flat. I dont see her leading with two pair on the turn for that much, so the only nonaction card would be if she has baby flush and river comes heart. If you have a aggressive image or tendency to bluff that people are aware of, here you can ship it NP.
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:17 PM   #5
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Raise flop
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:35 PM   #6
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Raise flop
Do you think you can go 3 streets if you raise the flop, bet turn and river. She still has about 1200 behind once she bets the flop. Only possible flush that pays me off would be the jack high flush considering I have the Q and 9 of hearts, and the 10 is already out there
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:44 PM   #7
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Re: How to disguise a flopped flush

raise flop, not really close
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:51 PM   #8
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raise flop, not really close
Just wondering you say raise the flop, but does that not look absurdly strong?

Are we raising so another heart doesnt kill our action?
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:54 PM   #9
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lots of callers, lots of actions. you want monies in the middle, you gotta put it there. Not everyone thinks like you. some people don't like folding two pairs
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Old 05-28-2012, 02:15 AM   #10
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Re: How to disguise a flopped flush

raise flop is about the easiest decision you will ever make. the money printing starts there
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:54 AM   #11
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Just wondering you say raise the flop, but does that not look absurdly strong?

Are we raising so another heart doesnt kill our action?

i presume you somehow think raising the turn looks weaker than flop?

w/ her line on the flop i would think she has a flush almost always and the last time i saw an asian lady fold a flush on the flop... dont think ive ever seen it actually.

on the turn when she leads big again she obv has a flush and still isnt going to fold so dont let her off the hook by just calling.
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Old 05-28-2012, 05:45 AM   #12
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i presume you somehow think raising the turn looks weaker than flop?
It was more if I raise the flop, is she going to call both turn and river. If I flat the flop I probably get her to bet once more and if she doesn't bet turn I can bet it. Also if she bets turn, maybe the other guy calls as well and then I can raise (obviously this looks stronger, but at least more money is in there)

If I had been more aggressive this session I probably raise the flop.
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Old 05-28-2012, 07:04 AM   #13
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It was more if I raise the flop, is she going to call both turn and river. If I flat the flop I probably get her to bet once more and if she doesn't bet turn I can bet it. Also if she bets turn, maybe the other guy calls as well and then I can raise (obviously this looks stronger, but at least more money is in there)

If I had been more aggressive this session I probably raise the flop.


you flopped the nut flush and have a rec asian lady player leading out into multiple people after limp calling your raise... these types of players arent randomly betting into you on this type of flop w/o a hand.

if you think she has a big hand (all senses say yes), then once you raise the flop she will prob do all the work for you by shoving herself. if not shes obv not folding so you can just get the rest of it on the turn.

the last thing you want to do is let her off the hook at any point in the hand. by not raising the flop you are giving her a chance to play her hand correctly.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:53 AM   #14
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raise flop, not really close
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Re: How to disguise a flopped flush

The best way to get value out of a flopped nut flush is by playing the hand fast on the flop.

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