Hi,

This is my first post on two plus two. I play 10/10 at Parx. I've been playing 10/10 for about a year now. I do play for a living. I'm writing this post because I get a lot of flack for hit and running the game. People bitch to me about it almost everyday and bitch to my husband about it and probably call up my grandma and bitch to her about it. It's supposed to be bad etiquette because I'm not giving the person who lost the pot a chance to win their money back. Um... But honestly I thought the whole point of gambling was quitting when you were ahead. I guess I don't accept that it is bad etiquette and never will. I was a table games dealer back at Hollywood Casino 4 years ago, and I've always had the mentality to quit while I'm ahead in any form of gambling and cut my losses. I don't seperate poker from this line of thinking. So I ask myself. Why in the world would I ever want to give someone "their" money back. And how is it their money anymore if it's sitting in my stack. Oh and also who is to say that that person would win "their"' money back anyway. I guess I don't get why people get upset because I don't get upset when people hit and run the game because in a casino, there's usually a list of players waiting for a seat ready to take my seat so it's not like I'm breaking the game. It's not a home game where there is a finite amount of players in the player pool for the night. I'm not playing poker to make friends or be polite. I'm playing poker to make money. That's it. If people want to trash talk me everyday because I "hit and run" the game, so be it.

I only have this to say. I play a session to either win or lose a certain amount of money, then I'm done. No ands, ifs, or buts about it. Last week I lose 5500 in a couple hours of 10/25 and I left immediately. Two days ago I won 2000 in a couple of hours and left. I set a stop loss limit and an upward limit. So I effectively bust and run and hit and run. That is my gambling mentality for table games, slot machines, and poker. I'm not going to stick around because leaving is considered impolite. Poker in itself is a dog eat dog game. There's nothing friendly or polite about taking each other's money. I don't expect to hold hands around a camp fire, sing songs, and try not to hurt other people's feelings.

Some people say it's bad for the game. Someone is always willing to take my seat after I bust or win so I don't feel guilty. Until someone bitching about me hitting and running wants to start paying my bills then I'd advise people to stop whining about it because I don't care. I feel like I shouldn't have to defend myself but I'm none the less making a statement as to why I so call hit and run. I offer no apologies, I want people to back off. I'm generally nice and mind my own business but hit and running is part of the game. If people don't like it, stop playing poker. Stop being a pussy, grow a pair, and realize a new person is sitting down. It's not a game of his money, my money, money is flowing around the table regardless. If someone has a problem with what I do, feel free to talk to me in person, I'm at the 10/10 game a few times a week. I will play anywhere from 10 minutes to 8 hours. If it takes that long to make my goal. People hit and run the game all the time. I can name a few off the top of my head and no one says anything to them. And all these 2/5 players moving up hit and run the game all the time too. If it was truly bad for the game, it would be against the rules. Hit and running keeps an inflow of new players and keeps the game from getting stagnant. I've never said anything about this until a poker player bitched to me all last night about it non stop. I see bad etiquette everyday from throwing cards at dealers, stiffing dealers, cussing at other players, trash talking, people head butting players, etc. Alot of things aren't good for the game, but yet people bitch and whine about me hitting and running the game everyday. Like I said, come and talk to me about it if you really have a problem about it. I'll tell you the same things I said on here but I'm not going to offer any apologies for not being quote unquote polite or nice. Just thought I'd get this out here to clear things up. Like I said I set a goal for myself. When I reach x amount of dollars I quit the game. I'm not going to pretend I care about someone's feelings and play an extra orbit or extra hour to be politically correct. If it takes me ten hours to reach my goal, I'll quit then. And sometimes it takes that long. People seem to think its a goal of mine to hit and run. I just quit when I'm 2 k up. A lot of times it comes in the form of one big pot. Then I leave. I wish people would stop harassing me about it and stop being whiny pussies. If you have a problem with it, don't give me any action or double me up. Sorry to sound rude, ok I'm really not, but this was a long time coming. When people are texting my husband to tell me how it's bad for the game it makes me want to do it more to tilt my opponents. Why not? Isnt poker half psychological. The more people had a problem with it, the more I did it. If that makes me a "coward" "bitch" "scumbag" or any other name tossed my way, so be it. I'm not ashamed of hitting and running the game to build my bankroll and pay my bills. So like I said, if you have a problem with it, you're welcome to talk to me in the 10/10 game if you can catch me. I have red hair and my name starts with a G.

Oh and pre addressing this argument..."the rec players don't like it and won't come back." - my response - hit and running happens everyday. At every casino, if they don't like it, they'll still come back

Solid first post.

Thanks

If you are trying to play for a living it means that you think you have an edge in the game.

You used to deal at a casino.

The casino has an edge in the games they spread.

Did you ever see the casino close the 21 game because they won or lost enough for the day?

Turn off the video poker machine because someone caught a Royal?

I get your point. But my sessions always peak out. I'm not going to continue to make infinite all day no matter how long I play. I play most profitably at a certain stack size. Video poker (aka casino edge) doesn't change. For example, my husband plays 8 hour sessions everyday. I play two hours sessions everyday, and we make same money. I'm not playing for ego. I'm a female. I'm not trying to prove anything. I've tried saying to myself..."ok, if I make this per hour if I play this amount of hours, I'll make this by the end of the night." It doesn't work that way. My average win for a session is 2 k. I'm happy to quit then.

And I'm surprised more people aren't hitting and running the games. It's proper bankroll management. I may be rolled for 10/10 sitting there with 300 BB but not necessarily rolled to be sitting there with 600 BB.

I have actually thought really hard about your post. You are absolutely right, which is pretty common trait for one of your gender.

Continue to quit as quickly as possible when things are going really well. But this will only really work out if you also grind for 8, 10, 12, or maybe even 14 hours when things just are not clicking.

We play 10/20 with no cap at horseshoe hammond. You are welcome to hit and run us any time youre in town.

Also the casino wouldn't turn off the video poker machine because someone caught a royal because the casino is a well oiled machine without emotion. The casino won't "tilt" or play bad as a result of suckouts, coolers, or run bads. A human has absolute potential to play - EV when tilted as a result of those external factors.

Yea usually when I go busto first buyin, I'll sit there for 24 hours if I'm in the right mentality to go into the green. I know it's rude and lazy at best.

And I'm surprised more people aren't hitting and running the games. It's proper bankroll management. I may be rolled for 10/10 sitting there with 300 BB but not necessarily rolled to be sitting there with 600 BB.[/QUOTE]


I liked your tone in this post a lot better. If you are not comfortable playing real deep, I think you should play smaller until you are.

If you survive in poker you will begin to realize that all you have is your edge, and the game is all about maximizing and prolonging it. It is all about focused,quality hours at the table under good conditions. At the end of the month you look up and see your results.

That said, I play with a hard stop loss. Why? Because at NL losing begets losing and perception matters. I refuse to sit around and be owned when I could be playing golf, reading, getting drunk.............

When I am winning I stay at least 8 hours. big days in NL can pay for 4 or five lousy ones.

Welcome to this forum. Lot of great posters and very successful full time professionals on here. I am not one of them. Read the right guys and you will get real good real fast, and you will stop thinking about quitting, you will welcome action.

Horseshoe Hammond...I'll keep it in mind.

"That said, I play with a hard stop loss. Why? Because at NL losing begets losing and perception matters. I refuse to sit around and be owned when I could be playing golf, reading, getting drunk............."

I agree with what you said about table image. So you're proposing the opposite, take advantage of a good table image and stay when winning, and leave when losing. I think a lot of it comes down to me not wanting to grind long hours and would rather go home and relax. I'll think about what you said .

You catch on so fast I am going to stop posting before DGAF has me banned.

Lol, I had to look up who that was.

consumate pro. great player. better gambler.

What you do is horrible for the game.

It leaves recreational players pissed off and calling you a scumbag.

It leaves other regulars pissed off because you make the fish not want to play. There have been confirmed instances where a whale has come to play and refused the 10/10 because you were there and he didn't like your antics. I'm sure there have been similar other times not confirmed.
It's also pretty silly to suggest that the 2/5 players who play only when a whale is playing are good for the game and keep the game from becoming stagnant. Umm, no thank you, playing only when the game is great and nitting it up waiting for a big hand vs the whale does not help the game at all. These leeches and vultures are held in the same regard as hit and runners and shortstackers.

If all the regulars who play for a living behaved like you there would be no 10/10 game. Not even debatable for anyone who has any clue. Sure, it might run occasionally but there would be no daily big game at Parx if it really was fine to have a "dog eat dog, I'll do whatever I want attitude" like you have.

Subtlety is a big part of her problem, she starts racking up the the instant she wins a big hand, even if it's her first hand. There are no other players who do this, maybe the occasional older Asian player or something, but even there are more subtle.

The not against the rules argument is the same argument that can be used with slow rolling as well. Guess what , slow rolling all the time is considered unethical as well. Would you like to be slow rolled every hand? I'm sure that could be arranged by the Parx players.

The most amazing part is that you just don't get it. I'd understand it if you were new to the game and just didn't know any better . You were a poker dealer first and your husband plays for a living. How do you still not get it?


You don't seem like a selfish, impolite person in real life, so why act like it at a poker table. Most people are there because they enjoy playing, others are there to earn a living. If playing for a living is going to make you have this selfish, screw everyone else I'm doing whats best for me not matter what anyone else thinks maybe you should find a new job. Unless thats who you really are or who you want to be.

great rant great rant. yes you can hit and run as you please, and you shouldn't have to worry about what the other players think about it. It's unfortunate that other people have to get involved. Everyone see's people hit and run from time to time, we look at each other and shrug our shoulders and the games goes on.

I can understand how you want to quit at 200bb's. That is probably a great stop win for someone who is a break even player at best. I myself one time got lazy and took early outs all the time when I was up around 200bb's. But the problem was, I never had those 600+bb's wins. Now, I have them again and they do help your overall bankroll. So by quitting every 200bb's your not giving yourself the chance to have those bigger wins which I think could be a mistake.

I can imagine what the table does when you hit a big pot after 10 minutes and start to rack up. Take a video of it next time haha I could imagine everyone's reaction. but the good players are just sitting there and could care less.

Keep in mind also. You think you hear a lot of people complaining to you or your husband. But since people are generally polite and it takes a lot for people to complain to peoples face. You probably only hear 10% of the thoughts and complaints regarding your hit and run style. Much of it from players who usually don't care what other do.

Not sure why you would post here about this. This audience most likely have never been subject to your act. I guess you are looking for some backup. It won't be coming from people who have seen you in action. Even people here who will say "they don't care what anyone else does..." would have their minds changed if they actually saw you in action

How I feel about it. Poker is a game. If people can't afford to lose the money and get mad if someone walks out with it they shouldn't be playing poker in the first place. Secondly no one called me those things...I was being sarcastic. Yet.... However, if people are going to get so pissed about it and become angry, like I said they're too emotional for poker. Thirdly I seriously doubt there are hoards of people avoiding 10/10 because I'm there and they're afraid I'm going to hit and run them. Also if they're avoiding the 10/10 game bc they're afraid of being hit and run there is at least one hit and runner at every table in that room. People just hit and run more deceptively. IE waiting an orbit or a few hands. Then saying oh well I gotta go. My wife is waiting. Um... Ok. The only difference is I'm not ashamed and I'm not deceptive about it. Funny thing about the pot straight to rack thing. A lot of people were expecting it so I thought it'd be funny scooping it straight in there. I feel like people need to lighten up a little more about life. Plenty of action players hit and run the game all in good spirit and fun. It's good camaraderie. They're happy leaving and they'll be back. I always tell people I'll be back. If they want my poker schedule of when I'll be there, I'd be more than happy to oblige and tell them exactly what time I'm coming.

Another funny thing a couple days ago I was feeling good for a good long session and a couple players joked arent you hit and running today. They put it in my mind so I kinda just ran with it. But like I said I'm not going to stay in an unfavorable game with too deep a stack. Anyone who tells you they don't play poker to win money is lying or deluding themselves. Also everything you are saying screams of bitterness resentment and insecurity. If people minded their business as much as they're minding mine and paid attention to their own game, maybe they wouldn't be worrying about what everyone else is doing 24/7 and focus on their game a little more.

Non Pc, Why do you claim you play for a living when you clearly don't? Do you want to be viewed as a "pro" that badly?

Just admit you are a fish/rec player and move on about your life.

Just remember, just because you play poker everyday, doesn't mean you play for a living.

Ok clearly I'm a fish so people should not be avoiding games I'm in. And people should be encouraging me to hit and run. I never said I was a pro.

That's the mindset you need to have! gl. I'll see you at parx today

I'm just responding to zrap. And that's the whole point of the post. People demonize hit and running when it's just a part of the game. I never said I was the greatest poker player in the world. What poker player who takes the game seriously doesn't game select and hit and run bigger games moving up is all I'm saying.

And jump... I'm not trying to prove I was a pro or great poker player. I was trying to make a point, people shouldn't attack people leaving the game is all-recreational players or non recreational players. So if you are clearly stating I'm a recreational player, so what? Even if I was a recreational player, why shouldn't I be able to hit and run the game?

Alright jump, if you're such a badass making challenges on here. Let's play 40 hours of 10/10 this week. Book our buy ins and cash outs and see who comes out ahead. Heck lets do it for a month. I don't have anything to prove but to shut your arrogant mouth would be great. Let's do it. I'll meet you there tonight anytime.

Even if I am a recreational fish player in your mind jump, you shouldn't back down from a harmless challenge. People on here don't think I can win playing 40 hours a week every week for four weeks. Let's document this ****. I'd do it just for jump to shut his mouth and say sorry for being an arrogant jerk.