Playing 10-20 last night and this hand came up that I thought was interesting. I wasn't in the hand. Everyone in the hand are pros. Pretty good pros I think. Let's be hero in position because he had the pivotal decision. Hero has 3k. They cover. Utg villain limps, hero limps, SB raises to 110 utg and hero call. Flop is AsKs6h. Sb leads 200. Utg and hero call. Turn 2s. SB checks. Utg bets 500. Hero calls. SB check raises to 1300. Utg folds quickly. Hero tank folds face up 9s7s and says SB must have the nuts. Thoughts on hero's turn decision?

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Sb ISO ranges vary hugely from player to player. A lot of guys just see a free flop with QJs so they have better here pretty much never. Then again it seems like a pretty dumb line to take with AxQs. I'd call against most and expect to be up against a set or two pair fairly often.

I don't see a point in calling with suited doubles pre and then calling flop C, calling turn when we make our hand and then folding against a "thinking Pro" that could put pressure with nut blockers in his hand like AxQs KxQs and the likes knowing that as played hero can't have the nutters and it will be hard to call a river shove, I believe that's villain plan once he c/r turn which would be either nuts or drawing to...
I would call and plan on calling all non pairing non spade rivers.

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If I ever decide to fold on a tough 10/20 line up never would I show that I folded 2/3 nuts here.
Not good at putting my thoughts down on paper but I hope it's understood what I'm trying to get across.

IMHO.

This guy doesn't squeeze with QJs suited so I think you are right. I don't know if he check raises the flop with sets but hero did cap his range but I think he tries to pair the board at that point against two people with a large bet and I call. I think he had AQs like you suggest which is pretty advanced. Also, I think check raises the nut flush is so bad because it gets checked through way to much. I don't think a pro would check raise the turn Do you agree?

I agree with you in all you said. This level pros exploit nut blockers against tight players that fold big hands. I'm never folding this hand at this limit that deep. It might be a fold 150bb at 5-5. I also agree with not showing which I was surprised he did.i think he was hoping the other guy would show

Nobody actually tries to make people fold flushes in this spot, right?

I think if villian shows up with 2p or set I wouldn't really consider him a "pro" just my opinion, seems like some sort of recreational move or something a Live player would do to "see where he is at" I think we are far more likely to see AxQs for various reasons then the former. Either way I agree we won't see QJss too often and as a results Hero shouldn't fold.

2 great posts IMO.

what was everyone doing???

now i know why online players think we are so terrible.

Utg seemed to be employing a strategy where he avoids big confrontations and tries to steal small pots by repping flushing etc. what was weird is he us repping a hand which hits heros range.

I don't know how the heck hero folds getting 3.5 to 1 with only 100bb left. How would you play Hero's hand on the turn when utg bets into you? If you flatted the turn, what would you do when sb check raises? Thanks

Really the question is, is he raising QJss in the sb after two limpers? Against competent players I just dont see it. Way more likely to be a set or AK or AQ with a spade. Bad fold imo

Pre is pretty messy all over imo: Utg's limp is fine, but only if he is balanced/has a good reason for not just opening... Hero then should iso/take initiative/buy the button with his high rio hand (it's less rio actually when you raise)... And SB's sizing is just problematic.

Then post flop, the 2 guys who do not have flushes in their ranges go ahead and rep flushes (utg literally never has one/almost always has Ax/is capped at 66, sb CAN have a flush but he isn't repping one at all- and if he has one, he's gonna be out of poker sooner than later), and then hero (the only one uncapped/actually repping a flush) makes a pretty insane "hero" fold because he didn't go through the basic hand reading steps/he forgot about "pot odds"/he forgot how hot the blocker play is right now/he forgot he was playing lol live poker.

AxQ all day imo

pretty good pros...10/20...fml

I would instantly assume 3 fish and it would be pretty hard for them to change my impression.

Where is this game and is there an open seat?

So much of his opening range includes A's and K's--and if he has even one of either he can't have a flush.