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Old 02-11-2010, 03:29 AM   #76
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Re: Discussion on MHSNL-FR

This is all Kelisitaan's fault. We were all so starstruck by his presence that we didn't notice he was secretly planting the seeds to grow his master plan. He single-handedly sparked the golden age of twoplustwo. His entertainment was alcoholic, and we all drank the cool-aid. His time on 2p2 was like Jesus's time walking on Earth. And now, we are witnessing the fruition of Kelisitaan's Master Plan. The demise of 2p2 is imminent. We were warned this would happen and ...we didn't listen! We didn't listen!

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Old 02-11-2010, 09:50 AM   #77
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Why, did he level a lot?
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:56 AM   #78
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haha THIS...its a poker forum dont get it why every thread is full of naked womenpics...(see SSFR and MSFR...)
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Old 02-11-2010, 01:38 PM   #79
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X-Post from the thread I made:

I am not a regular member in this forum. I post more in hsnl (but that's a ghost town nowadays) and msnl. Anyways, I'm a mid-high stakes pro that splits my game between the interwebs and live (3/6-25/50 online and 10/20 - 50/10 live), but lately have been playing almost exclusively online. I read the thread started by Jlocdog about the demise of this forum, and I noted that in my time lurking this forum that I believe that the posters and replies are equally to blame for the lack of strategy discussion as the OPs. Most people just flamed all the stupid OPs, and I did not agree with it. I believed that the replies and anlysis in this forum were just as much a part of the problem.

So here's what I did. I created the gimmick account livepokergod and posted four hands that I had previously posted in either hsnl or msnl or both. I made no changes except that I reduced the stakes from 25/50 to 10/20 in two of the hands. I also waited about six hours to see what replies would be posted before I posted my own analysis (which I posted in the msnl and hsnl threads). I am going to post the link to each individual thread from msnl or hsnl that correlates with each hand in a couple of minutes. I made the livepokergod threads almost 24 hours ago.

People can compare the threads if they want to. I personally don't care if this does anything, and some people will probably flame me for being arrogant. But there was essentially no hand range analysis done by any of the replies in this forum until I posted my analysis. And even after that, there was still little analysis. Most replies were like "this is just spew" without any analysis as to why. The replies in hsnl and msnl delve much deeper and incite a lively discussion on merits of the plays on multiple streets. That simply did not happen in this forum. And personally, I found most replies in this forum to be just bad fundamentally even in their conclusion.

Also, these hands received replies and debates from players like Raptor, Stinger, AAismyfrined, Kirby, Flexsduck, and a lot of msnl regs. However, I noticed many of the reg posters in this forum who were online a lot did not find these threads worthy of their contribution.

Again, you can take this experiment however you want. But I think it is useful.

Posting the links in the threads now.

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Old 02-13-2010, 07:23 PM   #80
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Re: Discussion on MHSNL-FR

I'm going to sticky this and keep it open for further questions, comments, or suggestions for this forum moving forward...

By the way, this forum has been a pleasure to view lately.
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Old 02-22-2010, 07:55 PM   #81
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Re: Discussion on MHSNL-FR

Well as someone who has played a bazillion hours live 10/20 and 20/40 NL in the last 6 months, its certainly more sophisticated then you guys are letting on and certainly as sophisticated as MSNL or HSNL online hands. But yeh for the stuff live 5/10 below it probably seems weird/stupid to most online players.

For example, last night I saw a Commerce 20/40 NL game with Eskobarr_returns, aejones, a live pro, some meh live regulars and the token fish. Definitely an interesting dynamic.
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:33 PM   #82
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Re: Discussion on MHSNL-FR

How does everyone like how the forum has been going lately? I for one think some quality discussion has taken place over the past month and appreciate eveyones efforts in making it happen.

So thank you.
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Old 03-10-2010, 04:06 PM   #83
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Re: Discussion on MHSNL-FR

I've enjoyed lurking and even contributing a bit myself lately. I look forward to reading more mid-high stakes situations and trying to understand the thought processes involved.
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:46 AM   #84
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Re: Discussion on MHSNL-FR

If anyone has issues, questions, comments, or suggestions, please put them here instead of derailing a thread (oh hi there jumanji).

Beyond that I'd just like to say I am very pleased with the path this forum has taken. We have a nice mix of live/online hands and seem to all co-exist quite well. I sincerely appreciate the effort put forth up to this point.

I am trying to get a bit more quantity in this forum and slowly but surely some very good posters are making their way over here as well. Though I must say, it is kind of nice to not have sooo much traffic where posts fall off the front page so quickly. A nice delicate balance is what I seek.

Anyways just a shout out to the community to thank you for your contributions.

edit to add- If there is interest in a "best of MHFR" thread, please PM me any links you feel would be worth you make the list and if I get enough interest I will create a thread for it...

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Old 05-25-2010, 02:19 PM   #85
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Re: Discussion on MHSNL-FR

yeah, it has indeed been quite pleasant to read this forum lately. I even surprised myself posting a hand here and got interesting replies. Well, live hands are still meh for the most part but who cares.
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Old 05-25-2010, 04:59 PM   #86
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Quit editing my posts you knucklehead.
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Old 05-25-2010, 05:23 PM   #87
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I will when you stop being as knucklehead, knucklehead.
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Old 05-26-2010, 02:40 AM   #88
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Old 05-27-2010, 10:17 AM   #89
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Re: Discussion on MHSNL-FR

I'm a new poster so my 2 cents may not even be worth that but, I've been playing for 7 years.

A forum setting is like any other public setting. As a matter of fact in can be representative of a single poker table. Your going to have your ranters, ravers, drunks, hecklers, and complainers. You ae also going to have the usual %age of intelligent contributers.

Throught history nobody has been able to change that fact. I appreciate your efforts, and I appreciate the intelligent posters (of which a lot I know from live games.)

Thanks, and keep up the great work!
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Old 05-28-2010, 10:40 PM   #90
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JLoc edits way too many posts. This is an online forum full of adults. If you can't handle a little somethin somethin then GTFO. Also if you can't handle a little insult then you're probably not meant for MSNL poker where pissing wars and insults happen. I wonder if people are reporting posts or what.
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Old 05-28-2010, 10:45 PM   #91
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Re: 3/6 leveling spot against a reg

Jloc please ban this troll.

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Old 05-28-2010, 11:04 PM   #92
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EDIT: Just saw some of your other posts and not even worthy of a useful reply.
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Old 05-29-2010, 05:56 PM   #93
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Since I became the Mod of this forum I have probably edited about 8 posts (10 tops), 6-7 of which have been yours. I wonder why that is? Most everybody else of the 232,000 members don't seem to take issue with the rules in place in this forum. Maybe you are just exceptionally bad at posting?
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This is an online forum full of adults.
You say this is an online forum full of adults yet you continuously act like a child (and if I'm not mistaken you pretty much are still). I was unaware that what constitutes being an adult is being able to be rude to others. In fact that sounds like a quality you get from a child, not an adult.
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If you can't handle a little somethin somethin then GTFO.
I think everyone is capable of handling a "little somethin somethin". I think most prefer not to have to do so. Telling people to GTFO is just plain disrespectful. Someday you will learn how to properly communicate with others and not have to resort to such rudeness. You will also learn that speaking in such a tone will often yield you less than desired results than had you otherwise spoken intelligently and with a bit more class and respect. Respect begets respect.
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Also if you can't handle a little insult then you're probably not meant for MSNL poker where pissing wars and insults happen.
I have no idea how being insulted is in any way related to "being ready for MSNL". You telling someone to GTFO or calling them a name does not somehow increase their ability to learn or play the game. Pissing wars and insults are a part of all walks of life, not just relegated to poker. This does not mean that it is right or should be condoned. Being the bigger man is to be able to rise above this pettiness, not participate in it. And many here find it pleasant to be able to come to a place where they can avoid such insults and pissing wars that permeate our society and every day life. It can be a nice break.
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I wonder if people are reporting posts or what.
I have had only a couple of posts reported to me and the others are just me seeing some form of trolling/leveling/derailing and removing it. I have gotten far more positive feedback from how this forum is being run over negative so I would say that for the most part people are quite pleased with its current state. In fact, at this point you are really the only one left who consistently puts up a fight about the changes implemented.....hmm.

There are dozens of other forums on this site. Nobody is twisting your arm to spend your time in this one. There are 3 chat threads in this forum and I have never once edited or moderated one word in them. They are there for you to be as obnoxious as you'd like. My suggestion to you is to stay confined to those threads where you can spread your hatred and animosity. There is a sticky at the top of the page along with this whole thread that pretty much asks posters to simply not post in strategy threads if they have nothing to contribute. I am amazed at the difficulty you seem to have in accepting this one very simple rule.
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Old 05-31-2010, 01:21 AM   #94
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jlocdog, JumanjiBoard just needs a timeout. Just ban him for like 3 days and ask him to stand at the corner facing the wall.
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Old 05-31-2010, 11:33 AM   #95
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You're real mature guy. Just listening to the sound of your posts you sound like a bitter child. Even more so then I'm supposed to "be". Won't respond to you anymore since it seems you're just attempting to troll me.
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:36 PM   #96
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I just wanted to again thank everyone who participates in this forum for being courteous and showing respect to one another, putting forth the effort and taking the time for one another, and slowly but surely making this the premiere strategy forum to go to for quality discussion.
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Old 11-28-2010, 03:51 PM   #97
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I just wanted to again thank everyone who participates in this forum for being courteous and showing respect to one another, putting forth the effort and taking the time for one another, and slowly but surely making this the premiere strategy forum to go to for quality discussion.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:16 PM   #98
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Best way to get better discussion would only let some people in and have it not be publicly viewed. Seeing as that would never happen because it's contrary to 2p2's business interests not sure what else you could do. Like no one good is going to post strat that gives stuff away when lotta lurkers/posters that suck and thus don't benefit the poster much are just going to get so much and not give anything back. I also don't think it's a bad thing that 2p2 lacks the strategy content it used to have. It's more a social and networking tool now so you post on 2p2 find people then you can exchange strat discussion and if someone's just leeching off you ignore them but actually talk with people you know are going to give back etc. I think by the time most players get to midstakes they already have a group of people they talk strat with so don't have that much a need to post strat here. That's basically why I've been playing midstakes last few months but still post in ssfr I just know everyone there and if I ever do post a hand here on 2p2 it's like dumb spot if it required enough analysis for mid-high I'd never post it on 2p2 in the first place and doubt I'm alone there. Few times if I see someone post interesting hand and I somewhat know them I'll pm/im them my thoughts but seriously why would I post anything that would let other people playing in the same games I am know how I think? Like knowing how someone thinks about the game leads to a much bigger edge against them than just knowing what they'd do in one specific spot. Anyway meant to be short I think I just wrote an essay but yeah.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:20 PM   #99
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but jloc seriously first you complain that no one (a lot of posters which are outted on poker sites) posts strat anymore in this forum then the next you say you won't post any screen names "for obvious reasons"? Am I the only one who sees something slightly ironic about that?
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Old 12-01-2010, 12:25 AM   #100
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wakeup- thanks!

zachvac- you seem to be all over the map with your post so I'm going to break it up and respond in pieces.
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Best way to get better discussion would only let some people in and have it not be publicly viewed. Seeing as that would never happen because it's contrary to 2p2's business interests not sure what else you could do.
Yes, holding discussion where no one can see it does go against a public forums business model and fundamental reason for existence. If your strategy discussion needs are best met away from 2p2 amongst a group of friends then by all means use the social networking tools that best fits your preferences. I think you are missing the reason that this forum exists.
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Like no one good is going to post strat that gives stuff away when lotta lurkers/posters that suck and thus don't benefit the poster much are just going to get so much and not give anything back.
I have seen this written before and again I will say...this is just plain rude to say about the many posters who do post quality strategy. Just because you choose to refrain from offering advice (fine), does not give you the right to insult those that do. I understand WHY you choose not to post strategy (lurkers not giving back being just one of the reasons) and I accept it and respect it. Please grant this same courtesy to those who approach it from another angle. Remember, we all have different motivations for learning and playing the game. We all learn differently and have different goals we desire to achieve within the game. Don't mock, insult, or degrade how others attempt to achieve their goals.
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I also don't think it's a bad thing that 2p2 lacks the strategy content it used to have. It's more a social and networking tool now so you post on 2p2 find people then you can exchange strat discussion and if someone's just leeching off you ignore them but actually talk with people you know are going to give back etc.
Don't confuse 2p2 as a forum with MHFR as a subforum. 2p2 is a social networking tool that allows people with a common interest (poker) to come and discuss an array of topics, headlined by its poker content (but not limited to). MHFR is a sub forum within 2p2 that is here to discuss strategy on mid-high stakes full ringed games. The existence of a couple "official" threads remain because of the bond you speak of specifically created within this community...the MHFR community. If you wish to converse with fellow poker players/friends on 2p2 that doesn't involve strategy discussion, I encourage you to look at the many other sub forums within 2p2 to find your desired topic. But please don't forget this sub forum, MHFR, is a strategy forum first and foremost.
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I think by the time most players get to midstakes they already have a group of people they talk strat with so don't have that much a need to post strat here.
Sure. Maybe most players do. And good for them. But what about the other group of players? The ones who aren't in that group or choose to otherwise partake in many different groups? What about those that find they learn better when they can get completely objective advice from perfect strangers who hold no biases or have intimate knowledge of their game or their opponents game? Does it ever happen where you find your relationship/dynamic with a player vastly differs from your friends relationship/dynamic with that same player? Maybe you run well above expectation vs them. Maybe your style better suits your play against them. Maybe you tilted them into playing far worse then normal. Maybe a hundred different reasons. Stop judging.
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That's basically why I've been playing midstakes last few months but still post in ssfr I just know everyone there and if I ever do post a hand here on 2p2 it's like dumb spot if it required enough analysis for mid-high I'd never post it on 2p2 in the first place and doubt I'm alone there.
Every community had to start from somewhere. SSFR has been around long enough to create a solid community of posters and friends alike. MHFR was a byproduct of this community. SSFR got to a point of becoming too big where it lost its identity and became less intimate. The noise went up while the quality of content went down. Thus MHFR was born. And now we create and build this community. You are more than welcome to be apart of it. We are an inviting group. If you feel you have a hand worth discussing, you are more than welcome to test the waters here or just continue to post in SSFR or on ichat/AIM with some friends. Makes no difference to me.
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Few times if I see someone post interesting hand and I somewhat know them I'll pm/im them my thoughts but seriously why would I post anything that would let other people playing in the same games I am know how I think? Like knowing how someone thinks about the game leads to a much bigger edge against them than just knowing what they'd do in one specific spot.
A shame we can't all be privy to your thoughts on hands but as stated numerous times by me, I understand and respect your stance. The state of the game HAS changed and I acknowledge that. The game is much more popular, the stakes and payouts more lucrative, and the overall competitiveness heightened. I never questioned why someone chooses not to participate.
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but jloc seriously first you complain that no one (a lot of posters which are outted on poker sites) posts strat anymore in this forum then the next you say you won't post any screen names "for obvious reasons"? Am I the only one who sees something slightly ironic about that?
I have never once complained about no one posting strategy advice. I have always taken issue with those that block people from doing so. As for your claim about "not posting screen names for obvious reasons", I'm not sure what you are referring to but if it has to do with my previous exchange with jumanji then I think you misinterpreted the dialogue. Just to summarize, he wanted to know my screen name for credential purposes. I said he was more than welcome to enter any thread that I was posting in and challenge my posts. Those were my credentials and they are always up for debate.

Furthermore, my opinion on naming specific screen names is one that it is generally bad for business (as you say) and think a small description can/should be able to do the job. Seems counter intuitive to reveal how you would play vs a specific person allowing them to adapt to your approach. If you're going to go out of your way to defend a stance on how information is valuable (thus the lack of posting), don't you think giving away the most critical piece of information (when you do participate) may not be in your best interest?
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Anyway meant to be short I think I just wrote an essay but yeah.
No worries from this end. That is the whole point of this thread. Hopefully I have cleared some things up for you. And just for the record, though I acknowledge that we still have room to increase in size and improve in content, I am more than pleased with the rate of growth in both fields. Baby steps, remember...
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