As of this moment, this strategy based forum severely lacks both quality and quantity. My goal is to boost both of those and it will be done without the use of disrespect and derailment.

If you have any thoughts, suggestions, or ideas on how we can better this forum please offer them here.

**I do want to say though that this thread WILL remain civil in its debate. The idea of this thread is for people to express ideas, not to belittle or disrespect others. If leveling and trolling is your only goal within your participation on 2p2, I suggest you go elsewhere.

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add 200NL to MSNL?

also, lose the live threads imo

Call me selfish, but I've ceased to participate in hand threads where I don't know the OP's sn or don't know them as regular posters. Too many randoms that don't particpate or add anything to the forums wanting feedback. Not that my feedback is that useful. :-)

The problem with this is that SSFR would only have 100nl. If this is the solution I guess SSFR could be 50nl and 100nl, then MSFR be 200nl+? It's an interesting idea...

For any suggestions to be taken seriously, you will need to back up your stance please.

I will say quickly that 200NL is in the 6max SSNL forum and I think we should stay closely to the guidelines they have set in regards to what stakes belonging where...

Not to mention, SSNL-FR is a great forum with outstanding mods and many quality contributors. There is no need to make 2 homes for one purpose.

The live hands being banned will not happen in this forum nor any other strategy forum....ever. This is just a fact that you will have to deal with and work around.

Why not just ditch it and have FR regs post in the 6-max forum? At 400NL+, haven't most regs gotten over the weird FR nittiness that distinguishes the game from 6-max?

Double,

I think your feedback can often be quite useful and I appreciate the effort when you give it. I completely understand your not wanting to give information when you view the people receiving it as not reciprocating this action. Offering strategy advice is 100% your choice and I respect any choice you ultimately make.

what about just letting the forum organically be what it is, and if your problem is with people posting levels and trolling the strat threads than punish them for it. temp bans are probably a good start, and full bans if people refuse to stop. there are rarely any interesting strat threads, but the forum still has life through the occasional strat, the occasional well, and the regs threads. And it seems to me that is likely that is what the members want. if the people that consist of and build the community are happy with the forum they have then why should we condemn that construct or try and alter it?

it seems to me that you really have a problem with how one aspect of the forum is functioning, but you're looking for sweeping suggestions that would cause wholesale changes to the forum as we know it. However those changes would eliminate what most of the members come here for, without necessarily accomplishing your goal (a place where people can feel comfortable asking for and discussing strat about MHFR hands).

I really think if the mods just took an active step to prevent trolling and levels in the strat threads, but left the rest alone things would be fine. I also think that you should make a live poker forum because the live threads/questions are so often really simplistic and basic that it really seems absurd that we would expect the members of this forum to take them seriously. I mean if I walked up to an aero-space engineer when he was discussing work stuff with a colleague and asked him extremely mundane questions that anyone who took physics could answer and expected him to take time to give me serious and thoughtful response most people would laugh at me. that's essentially what is happening here with the live threads. instead of encouraging us to cater to these people why don't we create a forum where their questions are much more likely to be appropriate to their skill level and thus create more valuable discussion.

I think with the current state of twoplustwo forums I would only start posting good strat if I was paid to do so.

oldschool,

Again, that is a perfectly acceptable stance. All I would like is for you to then stay out of the precise threads you wish not to participate in. I don't see a problem with that, do you?

Also, I thought one of the stipulations of having the moniker "sponsored coach" was that you are supposed to be posting "good strat".

pizzle,

I absolutely agree with this and am doing my best to allow for this to happen. I have left (and will continue to leave) the "official" threads alone in regards to there content and posting style. I have only asked that anyone who chooses to take part in strategy discussion in this fourm, please do so with respect and not to derail them.

I decided that I would make this thread to keep the possibility of wholesale changes possible is all. I also wanted to create a public 'forum' for people to list their complaints AND how to proactively solve these issues. As of now, the only thing I have implemented and warned people about was something that there was always a sticky about in the first place....created by another mod. It said (before I edited it), "if you don't wish to post strategy in the strategy threads, DON"T POST IN THERE THEN". I am just upholding this rule.
I have never done anything other than what you suggest. And again, I completely agree with your message and I am trying to fulfill it. There is more than enough room for everybody (and then some) in this forum and I am happy to have all types of posters. Just post where it is proper to post is all.

As for a live forum, it is just not happening. There is no need to go down that path yet again. We can easily coexist in this forum, and I will do what I can to make this very thing happen. Giving live players (who typically seem thinner skinned in regards to what they think is harsh) a place to post where those very comments are unacceptable is a byproduct of the no-troll/level zone.

sounds good. thanks for the response.

For completely selfish reasons I'd like to see the SSFL merged with this section. Just so that we'd get the mid/high-stakes posters to participate there more. Actually one of the reasons I chose to play full-ring was that at the time FR was one forum while 6M was divided into several. It really helped my game when the small stakes players replied to my posts when I played in the micros. Many still post below the level they play, which I am grateful for.

jloc,

After your post in the 5/5 thread I understand what you're saying and I respect that.

It seems like the most logical thing to do would be to combine this forum with the small FR forum. The mods can stop the trolling and stuff but that doesn't change the fact that few people if any care enough to post more than 1 line of strat or treat this forum as anything but a meeting place to chat.

The hands would get much better discussion in the other forum anyway. And someone can just make a 400nl+ regs thread or something. Everybody wins.