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Old 06-19-2012, 02:24 PM   #1
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Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

Villain is aggro asian, straddling every orbit, stuck a bunch and just folded to heros triple barrel which hero showed to hopefully tilt him. Hero also doubled through villain some hours ago first orbit when the game started. Villain is stuck about 4k. We have aggro and winning image. We have had verbal exchanges and I think that he may attempt to put a move on me soon.

We are also playing 5 handed now.

Villain 2k
Hero covers.

Fish limps, villain raises to 40 (he does not adjust raise sizes based on limpers, 40 is std open for him) Hero calls T7dd from BB, fish calls.

Flop ($120) T73ccs

Hero leads 70, fish folds, villain raises to 270, hero calls.

Turn ($660) 6s

Hero checks, villain bets 500, hero calls.

River ($1660) 7h

Hero?

Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

My thought process throughout the hand was basically that he would barrel with a lot of draws here against me, and I planned to lead a lot of turns, but since the turn was pretty bad, decided to check call and call down a bunch of rivers.
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:17 PM   #2
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

I like flop lead, with your image I reraise his flop bet. IMO it looks more like we're playing a draw then (under your current dynamics).

I lead turn ~500.

As played I c/r river. It gives him chance to bet missed draws and overpairs, if we lead out it looks super strong here.
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:19 PM   #3
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

Bet flop bigger, as played 3bet flop, as played c/shove turn, as played check river.
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:54 PM   #4
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

as played he's probably not going to call much on the river either which would make me inclined to want to get money in earlier as already mentioned above.

if he is anywhere decent and given your aggressive image (and history 3-barrell bluff prior history) your sudden shift in gears ch/call'ing two streets (and the flop raise) looks strong and he might slow down on the river.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:34 PM   #5
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

*grunch*

fold pre

as played, i probably 3b on the flop. if he has an overpair there are so many turn cards that can kill your action. it's a wet flop so he might find enough raw-type hands in your range to justify getting it in with a hand like QQ.

as played, i c/r the turn.

as played, i donk river big to make it look like i missed flush.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:43 PM   #6
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

I agree with lead flop larger, I miscounted pot size at the time. I tanked a while on flop and seriously considered 3betting, which I now think is probably the better play. I guess my plan was to check call him down on a lot of runouts expecting him to bluff off his stack.

For those who advocate c/shoving turn, are we not overrepping our hand?

Results: I check called his river shove and flipped my hand over. Based on his reaction, I think it is likely that he had a missed draw than an overpair or a turned straight.

For some reason I superdiscounted overpairs as part of his range, but maybe that was a mistake.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:22 PM   #7
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

yep, i like a c/r on river.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:33 PM   #8
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

Pre is fine. I 3b/call the flop. If you really feel like he is itching to make a move just CIB but OOP just make a normal raise to like 850 and call. Shove turn
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:58 PM   #9
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

Pre's fine since fish is going to come along almost 100% so you have more wiggleroom in a multi-way pot with a speculative hand like T7s, plus it plays pretty awkwardly in a 3bet pot OOP vs a tilty deep opponent.

At a full-ring game I think the flop is a must 3-bet but short-handed in a vacuum I don't hate taking a card off since I think he'll bomb turn with a huge chunk of his range and a lot of that range is drawing pretty thin vs our top two. I think he'll also b/c off a lot of marginal value hands even if a sort of scary card comes off so we're less afraid of losing action, plus since we cover the board pretty well he should often be spazzing with a ton of gutshots/two overs type air here that won't slow down.

That said he is pretty tilted and you did just show a big bluff to him, so I doubt he's ever folding any ten let alone any overpair.
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:31 PM   #10
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

I play in this game semi-regularly. Assuming the villain is who I think it is, I like a c/r on the river. He is more likely to bluff missed draws, or turn his value hands into a bluff than call a bet.
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Old 06-20-2012, 01:49 AM   #11
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

calling pre 2k+ effective is def std against aggro fish and also another fish having open limped.

I like the lead on flop which also gives the limped fish to put money in the pot...when aggro villain raises, click it back.

As played, go for CR on river.
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:04 AM   #12
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

I would just try to get it in on the flop, although I would much rather c/r. As played c/r river or just stuff. I'd prefer c/r since it seems pretty likely that he will bet.
As played on the flop I would probably make it 1k to commit him.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:03 AM   #13
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

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*grunch*

fold pre

as played, i probably 3b on the flop. if he has an overpair there are so many turn cards that can kill your action. it's a wet flop so he might find enough raw-type hands in your range to justify getting it in with a hand like QQ.

as played, i c/r the turn.

as played, i donk river big to make it look like i missed flush.
All of this.
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Old 06-20-2012, 12:19 PM   #14
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

Shove the turn imo, but obv check as played.
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Re: Criticism all streets appreciated @Parx 10/10

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*grunch*

fold pre

as played, i probably 3b on the flop. if he has an overpair there are so many turn cards that can kill your action. it's a wet flop so he might find enough raw-type hands in your range to justify getting it in with a hand like QQ.

as played, i c/r the turn.

as played, i donk river big to make it look like i missed flush.
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I'm never closing the action here with a call on any street, especially the flop. On the early streets, your perceived range is much wider. Let him put you on a big draw and ship it.

You showed him the bluff so he can donk off with his {AT-AA} here. Now cash in.
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