Hero makes a marginal call pre. Villain is okay, but not amazing through 2 hours of play. No solid reads cuz I am stuck and not paying attention.

Here goes the hand. 1700 effective

UTG + 2 opens to 60 pre. I am in the sb with AJ and i defend

Flop is T42
I check ready to play for stacks. he checks behind

Turn: 2
I bet 80, he makes it 260

Hero?

This is a fold. paired board. out of position. rampant slowplaying at 5-10 commerce. smells like a set of 10s. i see guys check sets twice multi way on drawy boards (so bad but they do it). your hand is face up. no implied odds. high reverse implied odds.

well when he checks back flop after raising early hes basically letting you know he has some sort of big A hi which obv is never folding to your turn bet so i like cking turn and letting him think his aq/ak is good.

i like your ck/raise line plan on flop but just cause he didnt comply doesnt mean you still cant do it on turn.

check turn and depending on his betsize/tells/etc decide if you wanna c/r.

Is calling pre a mistake?

You make good points, but bolded is a little exaggerated, right?

good point. for some reason checking turn didn't occur to me

again, same as above. What type of bet size would lead us more like to c/r?


What does everything think about this?

since this is a live game i think if he very quickly throws out a bet that is too small or too big to make sense it's more likely to be weak in this spot than if he deliberates and then slides out a counted stack. also decide if he's the type of player who will decide to check a made hand on the flop to get value from you later on. if he's "OK but not amazing" like your described then I would be more inclined to think that he's not smart enough to realize that on a dry flop it's easier for him to get value by checking so he's more likely to be betting 77/88/99/bluffs on the turn than AT/KT/other value hands. and in any case he has very few monster value hands that would not build the pot on the flop then bet/3b the turn so c/r is good here because you will rarely get reraised and have initiative on the river.

Yes but who wants to fold AJ suited. Not fun. lol

call AJs fold ATs pre. On the turn now it's not too good and he's more likely to do this with stronger parts of his range and won't be folding those

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,508 games 0.175 secs 14,331 games/sec

Board: Tc 4c 2h 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.392% 24.52% 02.87% 615 72.00 { AcJc }
Hand 1: 72.608% 69.74% 02.87% 1749 72.00 { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }

[QUOTE=rakes;33751040]You make good points, but bolded is a little exaggerated, right?

Yes a little I guess now that you emphasize it but my point is a call is bad IMO. if you miss what are you going to do on the river? If you think he is bluffing, you should shove turn right? Are you willing to here?

you make your hand and you dont know what to do. you make nut flush and bet 3/4 pot and he shoves river? what then?

I prefer a 3b or fold with ace paint here (in SB). If the guy is nitty (or loose passive and only opens premiums) you can just muck.

As played, folding prolly is optimal.

Calling to hit gin is terrible thinking. Op has no reads and not paying attention at all. He has no plan for the hand. Doesn't even know if villain is opening Kxcc/will pay off a 3flush board.

Fold pre and pay attention next time.

thanks guys.

one last question. what is our plan if we c/r turn and he calls?

I agree that folding turn is probably best as played

I like a bet/3b on the flop if you're willing to stack off. Probably fold pre though.

i like this too. since you wanted to play for stacks this is the best line to take.