Great turn play. I'm not folding the riv, too many great reasons not to.

Yeah also not folding river

Would be super gross if he has a better 9

Definitely not a trivial snap call for me. Would he be raising with a huge overbet for value with worse than a 9 in his hand? Probably not. Would he really try to bluff you on a double paired board when you can easily have the 9 or the 8 in your hand? You don't usually give the impression of scared money). Neither of these seem that likely to me. Could he have something like 9T/9J etc. and be hoping you might call with an 8 (or get moved off the chop if you also have a 9)?

Very tough spot - you only lose to three hands (AA, 88 and A9). The way it was played I guess the most likely hand you'd lose to would be A9, and he could have it - a turn call if he had hit the A-9 two pair would be consistent with this passive play in previous hands. I'm not sure what I'd do IRT - it's hard to fold boats HU.

You guys really call that off OTR? I ask because I don't play HU much at all, but my play would be fold.

Whats the case for calling? Lol i have trips and were heads up?

it's a boat.

Board is A9889 ^ ... so there are no "better 9s" except A9.

I get that he would figure DGAF for 8x more than 9x (given turn play), but I just don't see described V trying a bluff of this nature

Me either - the main argument for that is V's previous shove with T-T pre for about the same amount. But DGAF called that from the way I read the HH, so V does not have reason to think an overbet bluff here is a favorite to work.

Of course we haven't discussed any "live reads" - it's definitely not a snap call for me, but it's not a snap fold either. I'd tank and see if I can pick anything up based on our past play and V's affect - any potential tells/reads that might weight the decision. If V is an experienced live heads up player I assume he's not a complete tell box but DGAF might have picked up some relevant info during the match. Although that was was not mentioned in OP.

Very interesting spot DGAF. Even though he's playing very passively and check calling a lot, is he going to check back flopped monsters AA 88 A9 in position? I would think he'd be going for value / trying to build a big pot on such a draw heavy board. Especially if your going to be checkraising a lot with draws and bluffs. Turn call looks like an A or a 9 a good %. River is wierd as hell. I think he has a 9 a lot, a little spazz, and strangely played hands that beat you. I call

I think I end up calling too, in the "chop chop" spirit of the thread.

Calling 6k to chop 2280... or maybe catch a bluff. I think V shows up with TT-KK turned bluff more than 9x turned into a chop-bluff.. he did call a turn x-raise. I think A9 is possible, 88/AA maybe. If he played passive for dozens of hands to set up for one 3x pot shove... then he beats me.

DGAF,

Had you been check raising many flops? Overbetting turns when he checked back flops? Would he have a good reason to slowplay? I'd be inclined to call since your hand looks like 8x.

He probably got a text too saying you are you and that he can check call his way to riches. I don't think internet kid thinks this is a spot to try and make you fold a boat. It is way too easy for you to be nutted and him stack hanging 8k is just silly. He is leveling you very often and despite gman saying call, I think this is a trivially easy fold. Kids don't end up playing HU 20/40 against an unknown by sucking and playing passive and then suddenly spazz overbet jamming on this texture.

sit out pf, text me and meet me at RPL instead

maybe he forgot the action

I did call when he had TT. I had AK suited.

No real tells here. He seemed very comfortable-- ****, just remembered he took a drink of water about 20 seconds into me going into the tank. Drink of water on level 1 is super strong obv...

It should be said though that none of this (playing live hu or the amount we were playing for) seemed like a big deal at all to this dude.

Strongly disagree with anyone saying we are ever nutted. Turn play is almost always going to be really bad aside from a few high level/super debatable balancing reasons that are rarely going to matter in a one time live hu battle. People are not betting 9x let alone better to b/f the turn here against you.

The other not awful thing about your turn line is when you inevitably bink your 2 outer any decent hand reader is never going to put you on the hand you have. No that doesn't all of a sudden make your turn line okay IMO. Comments above about him being v v likely to bet a9+ on the flop are also solid assumptions.

-He has 9x plenty and knows you never have better and wants to level you into calling w the 8x hand you are repping so he bets a million.

-He has a weak made hand (Ax, pair) or an oddly played whiffed draw occasionally and convinces himself of the standard internet stuff like "his range is capped, I can have 9x easily, he won't call a million". Yes the read in the op assumes otherwise but on the other hand this dude a young internet bro and is cool playing DGAF hu at 20/40, so assuming he is incapable of this seems not good.

-He has 8x pretty rarely and assumes you never have better and wants to push you off a chop.

-he checks the nuts on the flop and earns the money as a result of the very specific and silly way this hand went down occasionally too, but not enough to fold IMO.

10 seconds earlier and I could have been an internet hero...

Epic first post.

I had been playing way more hands/bigger pots ip than oop. I had c/r a couple times and over bet maybe 3 times total (zero of this was for value, but he didn't know this) in the ~ 1.5 hours or so we'd been playing. Either way, him checking a big hand on this flop seems like madness, but so does bluffing river . I guess AA is reasonable to check flop???

The only hands I had turned over were over pairs and AQ on QxxJx. I had not won a pot at showdown yet, but I hadn't been caught bluffing/without a good hand either.

u gotta come to the arena bro!!!!

Why can't we be nutted? I assume DGAF can have A9, A8, 89, 88 here?

The guys whole plan so far, per DGAF, has been to try and trap him and let the guy who he thinks is a spewtard, spew.

As much as it is true he shouldn't have the hand he is repping with his river bet, I think it is way more likely that he makes a dumb flop play in a tiny pot than a dumb river play in a huge pot. When faced with conflicting hand reading data, I would tend to believe the one that is larger and later in the hand as a matter of practice over the one that is smaller and earlier.

We will fold a chop some. We may even fold the winner some, just not enough to make this a call. I don't doubt that any internet kid playing HU 20/40 is capable of making a big play. I just think that he has no idea how stationy, sticky and crazy wide DGAF can call and therefore his bluffing frequency has to go down.

I knew when I wrote the hh, turn play would look ******ed. I don't think it was at all in this case, but that's not too important/worth talking about really. Only thing I'll say is that he can never fold anything better/the same as my hand on the turn and that's completely fine with me.

u r an internet hero, what's the 10 secs about tho ?

My analysis post went through seconds after your results one