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07-04-2014 , 02:01 PM
2-3-5 deepstack game, with straddle. Plays like 5-10 with extra blinds

Hero is tag solid $1200
Villian is lag and covers. 3bet me once this session sb v btn, and i folded
5 handed
I open hj to $25 with AKo
Rec fishy player flats btn with $7000 (covers everybody)
Villian 3bets sb to $100

Is it best to 4bet to $300 here or flat?
Also, if i 4bet to $300 and villian ships, are we calling?
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07-04-2014 , 02:52 PM
Seems like a squeeze. Normally I'm not too happy with getting it in with AK but this is kind of a "special situation". 4-bet, call off ship.
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07-04-2014 , 07:00 PM
There is never an easy answer... You need to balance many arguments and see yourself...

One thing you know for a fact is :
- you have position on the raiser. You have a good chance to have position if the btn doesn t call. But you have to be aware of the Btn s style, to evaluate if you will have position on the flop, just by calling.
-It seems likely the btn won t raise and the betting should be close at 100$.
-Since you were 5 handed, he may not believe yet you have a hand that strong, which makes it possible for him to raise liberally with some weaker holdings. You need to evaluate the scope of his possible hands with his style, in the circumstances.
-You definetely need to define more the style of the player. Is he loose passive, loose agressive, etc... This is crucial in order to determine what is his minimum hand to raise here . This is the question you need to answer every time you get raised.
-Consider that since you have an A, and a K, it s less likely to make AA or KK.
-consider since you re 5 handed it s less likely someone has AA or KK.
-Consider since you re 5 handed it s less likely they think you have a strong hand just from a single raise.
-AK is strong before the flop but can be weak after the flop if you don t pair, or even worst if your opponent draw to better hand. I believe making opponents pay to play is the best way to make them do some mistakes.
-By just calling you would be more deceptive... hiding more the strength of your hand. But if your opponent is not the kind to put much more money with top pair, maybe it s more profitable to try to win it right there. If your opponent puts only much money with better than one pair, you re the one that could get more in trouble.

Well... I guess I don t really have the answer... But you need to consider more the style of other players when you ask yourself a question. Just saying someone is fish is not evaluate properly. Everyone has weakness somewhere, that s the object of the game. You need to think a lot.
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07-04-2014 , 09:02 PM
This depends on the fish I think. If we flat is fish apart guaranteed to come along? If so I probably flat.
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07-04-2014 , 10:29 PM
Was the straddle on?

If so, raise more pre

4b/call
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07-05-2014 , 07:52 PM
280/deal with it
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07-05-2014 , 10:31 PM
tough spot - hard to play ace king wrong; hard to play it right.
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07-06-2014 , 10:34 PM
99/100 4bet to 325 and call off. Is the fish deep from winning or did he buy in deep?

Is he the kind of fish who will cold call a big 4 bet here?
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07-07-2014 , 01:47 AM
I'd prefer flatting with the fish in there. If 4betting then yeah it's a must call.
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07-07-2014 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gangip
280/deal with it
My sizings are usually similar to gangip in the latest postings.. Why are we making it $300-$325.. Essentially bloating the pot with no pair..? And calling off $1200 with AK when villain jams on us for $1200.... Guys are we serious here?
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07-07-2014 , 11:34 PM
RR preflop and spike an ace would be an optimal line :-)
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07-08-2014 , 10:27 AM
Description Of fish is necessary. If he calls off for 200bb with a small pair then we should def flat the 3bet and hope he comes along because our post flop potential is too high. If he tends to fold anything that own the near nuts post then we might also welcome him to come along. If he's slightly more difficult to read then we might want to play a big pot with AK preflop.

I prefer playing A big pot with AK against V anyways because we are 5 handed. I know 240bb is a lot to get in pre with AK but this is a loose game 5 handed. I'm sure his 5bet shoving range shrinks considerably after we 4 bet but couldn't we be 4bet bluffing assuming he's squeezing?

One other consideration. How much money do we have in out pocket and how much are we allowed to buyin for? The fish has $7k and if we are restricted from buying in for more than $500 then we should be more inclined to play a small pot and preserve our stack because it could potentially affect future winnings against the fish. If we can rebuy for $3k then I'm flipping all day pre with AK.
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07-10-2014 , 02:06 AM
4bet/call it off.
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07-10-2014 , 02:57 AM
Definitely depends on the fishy player.

I will assume he is 100% overcalling the 3bet once we call so if us 4betting will isolate us against the squeezers shoving range of Ak and TT+ or something we would be better off keeping the fish in with a flat pre.

If fishy player calls the 4b anyway a decent % I would go ahead and 4b/call off.
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07-10-2014 , 05:44 PM
just dont fold
if you want to play any kind of 4b game you need to 4b/c here
if your 4b range is non existant/ only for value then flatting becomes somewhat attractive with the fish in the pot
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07-10-2014 , 05:52 PM
just dont fold
if you want to play any kind of 4b game you need to 4b/c here
if your 4b range is non existant/ only for value then flatting becomes somewhat attractive with the fish in the pot
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07-13-2014 , 12:11 PM
He's a LAG, given stacksize I like opening a little bigger, and make a small 4b here/call it off if it's really 5handed and he's truly LAG.

But he's only 3b you once this session, that doesn't qualify as LAG to me.

As played, again if he's truly LAG, I'd 4b real small to induce a shove(and call).

You also need to tell us exactly how LAG he's been 5handed.. has he constantly reraised people pre, raised the flop, c/r, etc etc...
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07-14-2014 , 11:52 AM
Couldn't be a better situation to 4b. Calling is +EV but way less so than 4 betting. We have AK not AA, we are OOP to the fish, we opened in LP so the lag reg will value jam hands we have dominated, and if we continue with this hand seeing 5 cards is optimal and that is going to be hard to do 3 ways when we're sandwiched between a lag and a fish. There really isn't any merit to flatting here imo. 4b / snap it off.
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