5/10 B&M local casino

Hero starts with $2000
Villain covers

Table is fishy only relatively good regs are myself and villain. I known Villain for years and play once a month at least. We are both known to be TAG and hero is playing about 12/15.

Hero raise $60 UTG +1, all fold, Hero AsKh flat in BB

Flop KdTd7c.......
UTG+1 c-bet $80, I c/r to $225. Villain rr to $600........

Hero?????

Don't cr flop. As played I'd probably hate myself And flip a coin.

Don't understand the HH.

Who raises 60, who flats pre ?
If Vilain raises and you flat from the BB then check call flop, you don't need to build a huge pot deep with TP, when you know you will have action for stacks when you're crushed

C/call, C/call, c/whatever (depends on how often he 3barrels, can he 3barrel thin for value hands like KJ-KQ or 3barrel bluff etc)


EDIT : you're oop (according to the title, so i guess vilain raises and you flatted, so check call flop)

Yes, Villain if PFR. My thinking is not to bloat preflop oop against good reg and also to CR flop to better rep my hand. do i sound confused? lol

Looks to me like you're repping a big combo draw of some kind.

You might be better than a flip here, but I agree once you c/r you are basicly commiting yourself. I am assuming villian is utg+1 and you are bb and this hand is hu. If he has AA/1010 it's cooler assuming his opening range is much bigger.

Not to look like a douchebag but people should stop saying "it's a cooler" when it's not.
We are 200BB deep (ok he raised *6 so the SPR is lower than if he had raised a normal 3 or 4* but still) the guy will never ever get 200BB on the flop with a hand we crush.

His range to get in otf will be AA (and not 100% of the time he will 3bet your flop raise), KTs, KK,TT,77,AdJd,AdQd,QdJd and maybe 89dd)

Board: Kd Td 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 17.399% 17.17% 00.23% 2719 37.00 { AsKh }
Hand 1: 82.601% 82.37% 00.23% 13047 37.00 { KK+, TT, 77, AdQd, AdJd, KTs, QdJd, 9d8d }

You can add some nut flush draws that don't have the gutter, it improves a bit your equity but anyway you are like 25% if the stacks go in

That is never a cooler, you only have a poor single pair



equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.545% 34.28% 00.26% 9503 73.00 { AsKh }
Hand 1: 65.455% 65.19% 00.26% 18071 73.00 { KK+, TT, 77, AdQd, AdJd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KTs, QdJd, Qd9d, Jd9d, 9d8d, 8d7d, 7d6d }

When we give him tons of draws (suited connectors that include the 7d) a flush draw + gutter (Qd9d) and all the Axdd still huge underdog

Good post, has to be a fold I guess.

100% agree with I'mAFrenchDonkey

I hate to c/r flop. I do like a check/call, check/call, check/feel line here. I think that C/R bloats the pot OOP with 1pr and makes later streets extremely difficult to play (especially against a competent player). As played, I also agree with the analysis that we "are crushed by his range" and getting it in over a flop 3bet would just be absolutely HORRID.

Also, OP, how are you playing 12/15. You can't be PFRing more than you're VPIPing.

I think there's some merit to leading here since it's not the kind of board people bluff with air too often and like to flat with draws fearing a 3bet that prices them out. Like when I donkbet flop I'd expect to get raised fairly rarely and expect villain to have a pretty strong range when it does happen. You also get more value from QQ/JJ/ATs type hands that'll often be trying to get to showdown cheaply in position.

The main problem with leading though is that your hand becomes kind of face-up if a scarecard comes on the turn. Plus the nice thing about c/call c/call is that our hand is super underrepped by the river so we can snap off all his bluffs when the board runs out raggy.

After thinking thru now, this is prob a good spot to lead flop......in hindsight CR this flop opens up can of worms in further streets.

Not too convinced on Call/Call/Call being best play though.

Obviously if we have little to no fold equity we can lay this hand down easily. However, most non nits that I play with regularly are going to be doing this with a wide enough range that they can either fold or get it in where we are not a dog. There are 5 hands that can have us crushed and not all are likely or will even call us (AA can fold here). So on 1 hand it is pretty bad to play for stacks with this hand since we can never get a call and be dominating, but on the other hand if we do get called here and are dominated it is a bit of a cooler since that really shouldn't happen too often. If we get it in here and see AA/77/K10 I would be fairly surprised so that really leaves 2 hands right? Granted we are flipping most times but given the fact we put a lot of money in the pot already it seems worth the risk to me. I am by no means advocating this line this deep vs a reg cause it is pretty spewy imo, but once we c/r I don't think it's bad. I know some regs will softplay others, but I usually do the opposite and they know that.

Pretty much what I'mAFrenchDonkey said is spot on.

Your flop c/r saved you some monies in case you opted to c/c c/c c/whatever (Both turn and river would have to be bricks)