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Old 06-02-2012, 03:10 AM   #1
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Adventures in backraising

Aria 5/10nl

Villain is a very capable young kid, not particularly over-aggro or spewy but capable of shenanigans. My image is similar.

There's some other aggro players behind me who squeeze frequently which is why I flatted the original raise (plus original raiser is likely to just fold).

Effective stacks are 2900.

I'm MP with KK.

Preflop: Guy opens 40, I call, villain raises to 140, all fold, I raise to 440, Villain raises to 800, I call.

Flop (1650): AT9r
I check/call 600.

Turn (2850): 8
Check/check.

River (2850): 7

... wtf do I do here.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:47 AM   #2
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Re: Adventures in backraising

What do you think his 5-betting range is?
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Old 06-02-2012, 04:27 AM   #3
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In a backraised pot? Shrug.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:17 PM   #4
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why'd you just call pre?

i'd fold the flop. pretty terrible board for you
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:20 PM   #5
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I see nothing u can do other than check.


yea, fold flop too.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:59 PM   #6
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Yeah I thought about this for a while and I think it's a check/fold. With no further info on his 5betting range I think he's gonna have a lot of Ax in it so really the only option is to turn your hand into a bluff on the river but you kind of only rep AK and that's it because all the other hands that smash that board you wouldn't backraise with except like 78 sooted. Villain might assume that you would just rip it in pre with AK or c/raise his smallish bet so I think it would get looked up a lot by a hand beating you. I think he folds the other KK everytime if you ship the river tho
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:14 PM   #7
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I like to bet fold, but in this spot the onoly think you really get value from is qq. Check fold seems weak. Check raise is an interesting option.
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:10 PM   #8
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really interesting hand dynamic because of your flat of the original open. when he bets less than half pot on flop i would call too and reevaluate. i would think kk is the best hand on the river and i would ch call
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:07 PM   #9
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why'd you just call pre?
Because I think his range includes a fair amount of bluffs and I want to keep those hands in. There isn't much value to re-raising; he's just going to fold a lot.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:11 PM   #10
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I like to bet fold, but in this spot the onoly think you really get value from is qq. Check fold seems weak. Check raise is an interesting option.
Not deep enough for check/raise. Only a little more than a half pot bet left.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:13 PM   #11
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Re: Check/call

I can't see much merit to this. There's just not that many hand combos I beat; mainly QQ/KK that he's turning into a bluff, but he could even be turning Ax into a bluff to try to get me off AK.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:14 PM   #12
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Re: Turning my hand into a bluff

This is really what I was wondering about. Thoughts on jamming? Is betting, say, 1200 better? If you're him, and you have Ax, are you folding?
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Old 06-04-2012, 04:20 PM   #13
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I jam pre.

And I think I bluff jam river because he never has a set, but you might have a set and might have gotten there with like AJs or something.
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:07 PM   #14
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Never stop raising pre once the action is re-opened.

As played, c/f. His check back ott is going to contain a J a lot IMO.
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:46 AM   #15
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Re: Adventures in backraising

You are getting in KK pre no matter what 300bb against a good player? What do you think they will call you with. I just don't know of live ranges being that wide to be able to be profitable doing it unless its a donk
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