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04-28-2016 , 05:35 PM
~$2,000 to start the hand and both villians cover just barely. Hero is dealt the ace of spades and ace of clubs UTG in 5-10NL at borgata last thanksgiving. Hero has a kind of tight/straightforward image and is playing breakeven poker at this table. There are a few recreational players and new faces at the table. Hero limps in for $10.
Folds to an AZN who used to play much higher in cutoff who pops it to $45, button who is some Russian kid calls, folds back to hero.
Hero raises to $195
AZN calls somewhat reluctantly and so does the button

Flop
T93

Hero leads for $425
Cutoff goes ARRIN!
Button tanks tanks tanks tanks tanks, almost an entire minute.
Hero figures that if button folds he will take AA to the felt vs. cutoff but button eventually makes the call.

Action back to hero. Tank, tank, tank tank tank tank
Clock is called. Floor shows up.
I can imagine cutoff doing this with a decent draw, however the fact that we have A makes NFD imposible which is BAD for that however at least backdoor would scoop the $6,000 pot and so would an ace!
Neither player has really been getting too out of line prior to this hand and there is no real history between me and these guys.
"8, 7, 6, 5, 4,......3.......2........."

WWJD?
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04-30-2016 , 02:30 AM
Turbo fold way before the floor gets called. Your hand is face up to anyone with a brain. You think Azn is trying to fold out AA and btn doesn't care about either of you and is calling off with JJ or what?

Ps don't limp rr AA.
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04-30-2016 , 09:11 AM
Seems like one of those spots where snap fold because I'm never good and they flip over AT vs QJ
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04-30-2016 , 09:44 AM
Raise pre the first time

Fold now


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05-01-2016 , 09:24 AM
With your image, your preflop action makes your hand face up.

It's hard to play poker, especially out of position, when the other players know your cards.

Just raise the first time pre.
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05-02-2016 , 02:46 AM
Limp rr is fine if you balance it. I think it's good to have an EP limp/fold, limp/call, and limp/rr range in live full ring. If it "makes your hand face up" then do it as a bluff with the Ax suited and get folds.

Personally I just can't fold here. I mean, we have Aces. And azn is playing it a little too fast for a value hand.
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05-02-2016 , 08:04 AM
Not so sure this is 'fast' for AZN here. He raises ($1380) the pot ($1450) basically with a player yet to act. It's true that we would question his reasoning for pricing the B out of the hand, but what bet does he have once the Turn comes out if he just min raises or flats here?

Why would you rather be HU than 3-way here? Especially against a player who tanked a bit. It could be an act but more than likely some sort of draw based on PF 'reluctance'. 3 to 1 looks a lot better than 2 to 1, especially if we are up against 2 pair and a draw. They may be sharing cards and/or each others outs somehow.

I can understand the snap folds, but I can also understand calling this off. It really comes down to who you are as a player. Do you have additional BI with you? Can you handle being crushed here better than being shown that you would've won?

As far as PF l/r and being 'face up' .. That comes down to your image and even without any image this is a pretty ABC play on your part. With this being a holiday weekend (and Borgata in general) I can see this being a 'gambling' spot for either player and/or a reverse tell spot by the B. Play this hand on a Tuesday night with a bunch of regs and I may see it differently.

The 'face up' crowd just wants you to have more information to make this fold by .. and perhaps a smaller pot right now. The odds of you gii PF here are low. And the odds of you folding to a Flop raise are even lower IMO if you had opened PF and got 4 callers instead of 2.

No right or wrong way here .. I mostly call but can fold too. GL

Last edited by answer20; 05-02-2016 at 08:10 AM.
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05-02-2016 , 06:08 PM
you'd rather be heads up against the one ship than 3 way bc even though your odds or better getting 3-1 there is a much better chance you're up against an absolute monster 3 ways in which case you're drawing almost dead.
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05-03-2016 , 12:17 PM
To call you need 23% equity.

In bad
- Against 2 pair and a straight flush draw you have 17.61% - 19.60%(includes QJcc, 78cc & KQcc)
- Against a set & 2 pair you have around 13%
- Against 2 sets you have 12.74%.
- Against a set and a straight flush draw you have 8.75% - 9.08%

In good
- Against an overpair and a straight flush draw you have 50%+
- Against 2 pair and an overpair you have 29.46%
- Plus loads of other weird combos

In real time I think I'd fold, but the percentages above lean me closer to a call.
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05-04-2016 , 05:50 PM
results

I call and it runs out AA. I slowroll both players who table 99 and TT respectively and scoop the $6,000





jk I wish!

Spoiler:
I call and board runs out 9 x and AZN has QcJc and russian has T9sooted
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