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Old 02-05-2012, 09:03 AM   #16
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Re: AA in straddled 250 bb stacks

I just assume bored athiest is leveling in all his strat posts
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Old 02-05-2012, 09:16 AM   #17
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Re: AA in straddled 250 bb stacks

Everything aaismyfriend has said itt.
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Old 02-05-2012, 03:09 PM   #18
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I just assume bored athiest is leveling in all his strat posts
Bored atheist is a very strange dude. he would bring his own 2 liter of coke to the commerce and chug out of it all day. once i think he even had like a gallon of milk he was chugging out of. soooo....who knows what hes thinking.

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Old 02-05-2012, 03:15 PM   #19
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Everything aaismyfriend has said itt.
Sorta unfair, AA is his friend afterall...
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Old 02-05-2012, 05:35 PM   #20
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It's not his hand that's face up when he cbet, it's yours when you raised 5x his cbet as something like pair+FD wanting to see 2 more cards... you wouldn't do that if you had a set.
I see your point but if I had a set I'm probably making the same bet because anything else looks stronger than a shove imo. With that being said against a thinking player maybe I should make it $1100 and not fold to a shove but get max FE with a smaller raise. Thoughts?
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:38 PM   #21
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Preflop, I'd just call the $70 raise.
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For the record, I 3-bet bluff live preflop more than anyone I've ever met.
dude...
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:15 PM   #22
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raise bigger pre.. eg. $250
cbet/get it in on the flop.. eg. $500/call shove. good that you also have the Ad.

you don't have 250bb... you have 125bb. amazing how many live players still don't get that in straddled hands.
why is it good he has Ad?

nevermind read your explanation. i don't agree with it. I'd rather not have it, cuz it would give villain a lot more semi-bluff combos that I beat. Still not folding for 125bbs. and I agree with everybody saying raise bigger pre.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:28 PM   #23
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dude...
yeah that's good stuff.

I have the widest 3-betting range of anyone I know, but I don't 3-bet AA in a straddled pot 125BB eff.

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Old 02-17-2012, 09:15 PM   #24
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Re: AA in straddled 250 bb stacks

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Old 02-17-2012, 09:17 PM   #25
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125BBs, not folding ever....also, bigger pre, and smaller on flop.
1. What's your pre flop raise
2. At 125bbs do you always committ w AA regardless of flop?

In the above hand if you know the villain puts you on a big pair are you still stacking off? Maybe online you never fold but live I think it's bad to stack off on this flop.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:32 PM   #26
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5/10, villian is good lag who hand reads well and is one of the better players in the game, 2500 effective

Cutoff limps (fishy CS), Villian raises to 70 otb, I raise to $170 in bb w/ AdAc, fish folds, villian calls

Flop (375) - QdJc4d

I bet 400, Villian makes it 2K.......

Fold or Shove?
Grunch... I think it's worse for you that you have the Ad, not better. Far less combo draws in villain's range... You overbet the pot, signifying in my mind that you are ready to call it off, so I feel like villain's shoving now instead of later in case a scare card peels off, and that he's doing it for value with a set or possibly top two... Plus you gave villain great odds to setmine, raising only 5% of effective stacks; when you 3bet so little preflop you have to be prepared to let go of it postflop. I think it's a fold.
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:16 AM   #27
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Re: AA in straddled 250 bb stacks

Shove, fade KdJd or JdTd 85% of the time, run into QJ or JJ the other 15% of the time.
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Old 02-19-2012, 01:02 PM   #28
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Shove, fade KdJd or JdTd 85% of the time, run into QJ or JJ the other 15% of the time.
So 85% of the time youre up against 2 of the 17 combos mentioned above? That seems like the wrong approach.
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Old 02-19-2012, 01:46 PM   #29
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Re: AA in straddled 250 bb stacks

3betting the AA is mandatory in the straddle, make it like $320 though bc that's what you would do if you were bluff 3 betting.

When villain shoves flop it's call. You having the Ad strengthens your opponents range but it is still a call. If you have some read that opponent is a nit or something and is scared of draws hitting all the time you can fold but w/o a read call.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:35 PM   #30
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Why would you 3 bet so large? By doing so you're folding out almost everything and getting no value for your hand. Additionally you're wasting money bluffing at this size since a smaller amount would do the trick. Unless you're goal is to take the pot down pre with both your value hands and bluffs than 4.5x seems a
Spewy to me
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