1. See earlier discussion ITT - mainly because I thought he'd be pretty much calling with his whole range, and and I wanted to get it in right there (rightly or wrongly). Of the three opponents who called I thought a couple of them including the V might call a good sized flop c-bet - turned out a little differently but ok.

2. Not sure 2/3 pot is always a "monster" cbet in live poker, but agree it could have been more like 1/2 pot. As said in earlier posts, I thought at the time a bigger c-bet when called would help escalate pot size in case I wanted to play for stacks at some point. I don't always c-bet a standard amount, but tend to tailor it within a 1-2 to full pot range, according to the opponents, game dynamics, along with the board/hand combination. Could be thats a leak?

3.I figured he could be raising quite wide, not just sets/two pair/bluffs.

4.. I had him likely having more medium value hands than bluffs. In fact I had not seen him show down any bluffs, and he had been very active since joining the table. I was not trying to fold out bluffs with the big reraise. Just thought based on live reads that he'd be sticky enough get it in with worse hands. And was lucky that turned out to be true.

Sounds like pwnage on your part then
Nicely done sir

Thanks but you could say I just got lucky he did have as wide a check raising then calling range as I thought he might have. I could easily have been wrong.

Do you say this because of the c-bet sizing? Is a 2/3 pot c-bet that out of line in this game on a dry board? I live about 10 minutes from MDL and railed this game for a bit when MDL was hosting the WPT... That night it looked like 125 was a pretty standard pre-flop open, but I didn't have much of a sample size. Wht I'm getting at is that his open seemed small if anything and his c-bet didn't seem unreasonable, so what about his bet sizing turned his hand face up?

Thanks in advance!

I know OP, and his image (OMC) is such that no one (except the villain in this hand apparently lol) will think he has anything but an overpair when he 2/3 pots this flop 4-ways as pfr. If he bets half pot, people will (generally) add some pairs < Tx as well as some 2-overs hands...

I really wish we knew what villain had here. I just have a hard time believing any reg (especially one that looks like Scotty Baby!) is terrible enough these days to just snap pile it in with like Tx or JJ in villain's shoes. If villain had pair + fd (my read after digesting everything), that otoh does little to prove stacking AA on the flop is best imo.

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I've never understood the idea of pre flop sizing being a group think exercise. I think you should just have a logical reason why you choose the sizing you do, and that's it. Sounds like a pretty sick/big 10-25 if people are opening 5x though!

Thie villain looks a bit like Scotty, but clearly does not think like him It was not a pair plus FD, which would have made some sense, because the A on the river completed the flush draw.

I guess I could have said "I called you" and waited for him to show, but I never do that. And just for the record I still don't necessarily think stacking on the flop was best, just worked out this time.

We don't know what would have happened had I waited for the turn to make the move. If I'd just called his CR on the flop then raised his bet on the blank turn he might have come to his senses and said "wait a minute, the OMC has to have an overpair at least". Or he might have still been willing to get it in there. Who knows?

I'm not sure at what stage of that 10-25 game multiple folks were regularly opening to $125 pre, but it was not common during the 8 hours or so I was at the main game.

There was one guy who was opening 100-125 for a while, but he had a "special customer" a couple of positions to his left who did not seem to mind calling OOP. And that only lasted for an hour or so until that customer reported to the rail.

My personal approach is to use the same opening size for all my hands, whether I'm opening with AA or 6-7s, in most situations.

I agree with DGAF's thought that you should tailor your standard opening size to whatever makes sense for the opponents - if they'll call with weak hands to bigger opening sizes why not do that. But I don't think you want to start tailoring your opening size by raising more when you have strong hands and less with weaker ones (which is also not what DGAF is saying at all).

The standard sizes in this game depend entirely on the pro to rec/whale ratio.

One of the best players in the standard lineup opens a lot to $50.

Jesus I can't believe the flush got there lol. This hand is wrecking my brain. How does he put you on AK??? Would he ever flat KK pre? Wtf?

No reason to fast-roll your hand here. I've had players tell me they have nothing before at showdown when they are first to show then turn up a set after I turn up a worse hand. Yeah, it's super scummy and not everyone does that but there's no reason to table your hand when you're not obligated to.

Even more importantly, in this pot especially, it's fairly likely this guy stacked Tx and it's super valuable information here if he is stacking worse than AT. Also if he has JJ-KK it's good to know that he flats these kinds of hands from the BB vs an EP open.

I did regret the fast roll a bit after the fact. I knew my hand was good by his reaction to the river card. And I kind of thought he might show, specially if he had better than one pair going to the river. I've kind of programmed myself to fast roll in most of the local games I play in. But it would have been useful to know how light he put his money in (and what he flatted the bb with). May need to change the program.

For any one reading the thread and wondering what you ought to do, I think Jimmy has the right advice. When you travel to play in games you may not see the locals many more times. But I'm playing in that game every 3 months or so and may well run across him again.

Yeah, this is the current strategy, but I could see how actually 3-betting here against reasonable opponent could be correct in not so far future.

I'm almost always nice and fast roll when I know I'm good or its my turn to show but I definitely am making a mistake some of the time.

In this situation against a huge fish I fast roll because te last thing you want is for the guy to get pissed off and leave.

This is the best argument for fast rolling - keeps the game "friendly".

Yes def fastroll fishes, make regs show 100%.

And, for the love of God, if your bluff OTR gets called, fast roll your K high like a man. FFS it's not the first time someone bluffed in the game of poker, show, make a joke, move on.

Strongly disagree about fastrolling your bluffs. Live poker is so mind numbing and our opponents are so bad that if you don't show your hand, people will forget in a few days that one time you punted off 300bbs on a bluff. However if they see you roll over J3s or some **** they'll remember it for months. I noticed a big difference in my perceived image when I started auto-mucking my non-pair bluffs that got called.

I mean I don't want to tangent the thread any farther but I highly disagree for at least 3 main reasons.

If Roland doesn't look like the biggest live fish you've ever seen in that video I don't know what to tell you.