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Old 06-09-2012, 02:19 PM   #1
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A2s float live. River sizing? Call pre? Float flop?

Ummm... I haven't played poker in a while and I wanted to hear some thoughts.
Live 5-10 at the Rio, 7 handed, HJ is youngish British person who seems fairly competent. We have no river history yet. We both have 1k. I'm


Folds to Villain who raises to 35, I call on the BTN with A2, blinds fold.
1. (Do people like calling here OTB with this? 78s? 8Ts? ATs? I feel like all hands aren't great to flat here with even IP. If we do flat, we can't be playing fit or fold right? Is there any basis behind this reasoning besides general intuition?)


Flop: K 63
Villain bets 50, I call.

2. I like floating here better than raising. The board is static. Thoughts?




Turn: 9
3. Villain checks. I decide to 2 barrel here because Villain seems to have a capped range here and I think he might c/c, c/f a lot of his range. Sizing? If I don't think villain has a high river folding %, I shouldn't bet at all correct?


River: J
4. Villain checks. I??? Bet? Check? Sizing? What is villains river range here? I'm thinking it often could be KxQ or



My main question here is preflop. BTN calling range and why? Math support?
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Old 06-10-2012, 03:33 AM   #2
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Re: A2s float live. River sizing? Call pre? Float flop?

id generally 3bet pre here with these stacks but you could argue otherwise if we knew how villan reacted to your 3bs.....id prob raise the flop vs calling - if we call he can barrel the turn and there's alot of turn cards he might pick up some equity on and continue with.....as played id def bomb the river - you could argue he barrels the turn with Ac and even the Qc is a tough call vs a PSB.
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:25 AM   #3
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Re: A2s float live. River sizing? Call pre? Float flop?

You look way more bluffy bombing it than you do betting smallish i.e. you get called more often on a bomb since you rep way less
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:18 PM   #4
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Re: A2s float live. River sizing? Call pre? Float flop?

Preflop I'm okay with flatting if I thought the pot would go multi-way, but HU vs someone who'll cbet a decent amount it's just really hard to play profitably 100bb deep, even with position. I don't necessarily hate flatting but 3betting almost certainly seems more profitable.

Flatting flop is fine IP, we do have some backdoor draws, he'll rarely put us on the ace if we hit it, and king-low-low boards are generally pretty good spots to make a play since most standard pf raising ranges don't have a ton of Kx and it'll be tough for him to continue OOP with underpairs/random Ax. And even when he has something like KQ the turn will often be a clear bet/fold spot for him we can abuse if we raise a non-club 4, 5, or 7 so there'll still be plenty of opportunities to win the pot later.

Turn I'd half pot since I think he's peeling one more time fairly often regardless of how much we bet but also folding river a decently high % of the time, so we shouldn't try to get him too committed prior to our river bluff. Plus there's a bunch of better hands that he'll have completely given up with so it seems like a pretty easy must-bet.

As for river I actually disagree that betting smaller is better than bombing: our river valuebetting range is going to be relatively narrow anyway so polarizing our range won't make it easier for him to bluffcatch. We don't want to give medium clubs or even like a stubborn set or KJ type hand decent pot odds to pick us off so if we do follow through we definitely want to give him a bad price on his call.
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Old 06-13-2012, 04:24 PM   #5
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Re: A2s float live. River sizing? Call pre? Float flop?

PF is w/e I rather have some reads when I call with hands like these just because it will help me play postflop.

As played, I think once he c/c turn he will have a club pretty often, So I probably just give up , I like your idea about 2 barreling but I don't think this is the river for it... The flop float is w/e
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:30 PM   #6
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Re: A2s float live. River sizing? Call pre? Float flop?

I think pre is a mistake. I'd rather fold it and sometimes 3bet. 78s not the same hand as A2s because of your reverse implied odds with A2. if your opponent is bad then flatting can be ok.

flop - floating is not very good on this board cuz if he's bluffing, I think he will barrel a lot of turn cards like all face cards, and club turns. I'd rather raise flop, you can fold out all underpairs. Kx will just flat a ton and if a club comes you can get him of that hand on the turn. You are rarely getting 3 bet.

turn is fine if you bet river every time.

river - you are not getting Qc to fold at all. you want set's and AK, Kx no clubs to fold. I think you can accomplish that with a 1/3 pot size bet. maybe even less.
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