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08-21-2017 , 09:46 AM
Hi Guys,

This is my first PAHWM, but I think there are some interesting decision points in this hand.

Hero: (2.5k) Young white male. Have been playing reasonably active.

V1: (3k) loose passive tournament regular. Seems to be getting to a lot of rivers and giving up too much. Doesn't raise pre often, prefers to limp

V2: (2k) Young pro - one of the best players in the room - but is stuck about 3k in the two hours we've been at the table together.

OTTH: (9 handed)

V1 raises UTG+2 to 50 (this has been his standard raise size)
recreational player calls in HJ
V2 calls in SB

Hero looks down at QQ in the BB - ?
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08-21-2017 , 01:15 PM
First decision point seems like obv reraise, standard pot size would be making it 250 or so.
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08-21-2017 , 01:25 PM
Yep.

Pretty typical value raise.

250 is fine. I might even go a little more 265-285....
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08-21-2017 , 04:58 PM
Trivial raise, going 275
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08-21-2017 , 05:11 PM
bump it up obviously - agree 250-280
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08-21-2017 , 08:06 PM
I think preflop is an easy rereaise, but we definitely make a mistake looking back and make it 220. Definitely a bit small.

Original raiser (v1) and v2 in SB call.

Flop: (710) 949

SB checks
Hero - ?
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08-21-2017 , 09:57 PM
Pretty easy bet. 435 for value.
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08-22-2017 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pgcounty
Pretty easy bet. 435 for value.
I'd bet a bit smaller than that usually.
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08-22-2017 , 02:13 AM
I'd usually bet more like half pot here - say 325 or 350

But this hand reminds me a bit of one I played at the Wynn 5-10 during WSOP. I had QQ in BB like this, 3 bet it, got two callers.

I meant to c bet half pot on 9 high board, but grabbed a gold chip instead of a black one so my c-bet was 1060 into 360. Fortunately they folded :-).

Last edited by jrr63; 08-22-2017 at 02:18 AM. Reason: added last bit
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08-22-2017 , 09:12 AM
I prefer like 375-400 but agree cbetting is easy here
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08-22-2017 , 09:26 AM
Giving you decided to post this very trivial spot here, I have to assume V1 has KK and you got coolered. On my experiece, these loose passive players limp happies are raising/calling 3b with a very strong range. (rarely 4b)

I'd go for three streets of value on favoravle board but VERY prudent with smaller sizes and paying attention to physical tells
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08-22-2017 , 09:36 AM
I lean towards the smaller cbet sizing on this texture as well
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08-22-2017 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by johnyarmless
Giving you decided to post this very trivial spot here, I have to assume V1 has KK and you got coolered. On my experiece, these loose passive players limp happies are raising/calling 3b with a very strong range. (rarely 4b)

I'd go for three streets of value on favoravle board but VERY prudent with smaller sizes and paying attention to physical tells
I hope this hand isn't THAT boring

Hero wagers 345.
Original raiser calls
SB calls

Turn: (1745) A

Board: 9 4 9 A

SB checks (1300 behind)
Hero (2000) - ?
Original raiser behind us covers
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08-22-2017 , 07:53 PM
Very curious the reasoning for you guys advocating a smaller than half size C-bet on flop. I've noticed generally that the crushers at my casino at betting less than half pot with strong holdings on flop, and when continuing more than half pot on turn.

Thinking about it more I kinda default to this as well..
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08-22-2017 , 08:04 PM
Don't think either of them should have Ax in their range unless it's A9. We can have Ax though.

I'm sort of inclined to check this, not super worried about original raiser turning his hand into a bluff and blasting two streets since he can't really rep Ax and I expect him to 4b or check turn with TT-KK.

It's really hard to get value from worse if we bet here and there's not much to protect from
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08-23-2017 , 10:31 AM
check
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08-23-2017 , 11:38 AM
This is definitely a check on the turn. You got two calls on a 994 board on the flop. A4s is a possibility, as is 79, 89, 910, 9J, and A9. There are also a lot of pocket pairs, likely 77 - KK. Against those, no need to bet to deny equity as they only have 2 outs or are already ahead.

Some chance that one of your villains floated with an AQ+ type hand.

As played this is a hand i would consider giving up on the river.
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08-23-2017 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by solidmussel

As played this is a hand i would consider giving up on the river.
Under what circumstances?

If this checks through on the turn, it seems bad to check/fold to the original raiser on the river. Perhaps it's a closer call whether to fold to a river bet from the SB if it checks through on the turn.
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08-23-2017 , 04:44 PM
Think you probably should've just posted this hand starting after you check the turn. Whats the next action?
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08-23-2017 , 04:50 PM
Wait does anyone want to try to answer my sizing question lol
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08-23-2017 , 07:55 PM
I went back and forth a bit in my mind about repping that the A hit us with a turn bet. As Disco said we should be the most likely to actually have an A (or even AA).

But of course there are a lot of problems with the bet so I'm on board with checking and evaluating.

OP did you observe any reactions to the A hitting from OR (or less likely from SB)?
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08-23-2017 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jrr63
I went back and forth a bit in my mind about repping that the A hit us with a turn bet. As Disco said we should be the most likely to actually have an A (or even AA).

But of course there are a lot of problems with the bet so I'm on board with checking and evaluating.

OP did you observe any reactions to the A hitting from OR (or less likely from SB)?
SB was motionless. He was the one I was concerned with most. Didn't catch a reaction on OR as he was on the other side of me

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Originally Posted by RosaParks
Think you probably should've just posted this hand starting after you check the turn. Whats the next action?
You're probably right.

River is 5

SB jams ~1300 into 1745
Hero - ?
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08-24-2017 , 09:12 AM
I'm folding. Him overcalling the flop is already pretty strong he probably just has 9x/44 here.
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08-24-2017 , 10:15 AM
What? What am I missing? Probably easiest shut down on turn/fold ever. Your 3b and flop C bet got called in two spots on a 994 board

You don't beat anything expect for a very poorly played JJ or 1010, A on the turn is a bad card for you. Given the action of flop I'm just trying to get to showdown as cheap as possible at this point and folding to any bet, of course unless you have some sick read that you forgot to mention?
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08-24-2017 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by flopturntree
What? What am I missing? Probably easiest shut down on turn/fold ever. Your 3b and flop C bet got called in two spots on a 994 board

You don't beat anything expect for a very poorly played JJ or 1010, A on the turn is a bad card for you. Given the action of flop I'm just trying to get to showdown as cheap as possible at this point and folding to any bet, of course unless you have some sick read that you forgot to mention?


The A isn't a bad card for hero since it doesn't hit villains ranges and it gives us the option to rep it if we want. That being said, I'm not inclined to rep it and am instead shutting down.

When the SB blasts river I'm happy to fold.
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