Still the same session from last 2 posts, easily the most interesting poker session I have played and would have made same great tv. We are playing 5 handed and no one has less than 3k. I have been playing for 12+ hrs and 2 players have been here longer and the other 2 are 8+ and everyone is gambling.

Villian- Mid 20's and playing super splashy SLAG for most of the night but has been slowing down, not sure if he is getting tired or playing tighter because of depth. He has been drinking "wodka" all night. The last hand he played he cold 4 bet me and get it in ~1.6k with original raiser with AKS vs KK and sucked out, since then his vpip is 0.

Hero- Playing Laggy but not spewy post flop. I have been laying hands down on the river and not showing down much in big pots. Probably 3-betting too much but I am getting away with it a lot despite almost never winning pre. I have ~5k and villian covers.

Pre- Villian raises to 20 in co, folds to me I 3-bet to 60 with 810 and villian calls.

Flop (125) AK6r (1 spade) - I c-bet 65 he calls pretty quick.

Turn (255) 8 - I bet 135 he thinks a bit longer and calls.

River (525) 8 - I bet 300, he quickly raises to 800, I tank for about 45 sec and make it 2k and he insta ships I have almost 3k behind

On the flop I expect for him to call me about half the time occasionally as just a float. His turn call could mean he has a gutter or any 2p, possibly even an 8 but pretty unlikely for him to have a boat as I would expect him to raise anything bigger than toptop. The river is meh, 4bet bluffs are ultra rare and he seems pretty sober.

turn bet is way too small. if you're gonna barrel at least make it a tough decision. Bet bigger on river. and why would you 3 bet river???? just flat. What worse will you get to call a 3 bet river with?

Villian doesn't slow play and we both play pretty loose/fast, river 3bet is standard value imo.

Never say never. This check raise is almost never a bluff. So something doesn't add up then, right?

I'm assuming we're oop during this hand?

My line this deep tends to be l/c or b/c preflop. As played, c/f turn. As played, b/c river.

I'm confused by what you think you're extracting value from with the 2k 3bet on the river. Your line looks insanely strong.

Unless he's a complete spazz, the very bottom of his river 4bet value range is AK (and even that should be discounted somewhat imo.) The rest of his range is filled with gems like A8,66,68,KK,etc.

If he does have 600BB suicide bluffs in his range after you take such a strong line -- does he really expect you to 3bet/fold the river here?!? -- then no advice on a forum can help you. . . the decision is too player dependent. Otherwise, this is an fml fold.

Fold or call pre. As played flop is ok. As played c/f turn. As played I don't think that 3 betting the river is profitable and you should probably just call his raise most of the time. Since you decide to suicide 3bet this river instafold to his ship

that's a pretty big assumption. but let's say you are right. can he have A8 or 86? or 66? or 8Q, 8J? his first raise is either full house or air. are you saying this guy is soo nuts that he is capable of 4 bet bluffing you for a 1000 bb's on the river?

if this is true than you should snap river, cuz the only reason to 3 bet is to induce some spew 4 bet not for value from a call of the 3bet. if he calls your 3 bet he prolly has you beat.

honestly, how can anyone entertain calling here?

If this is a bluff he has some sick live tell/read on you.


you 3bet pre
you 3 barreled a AKxxx board
you 3bet river on a lockdown board

this is pretty perplexing as he should definitely not 4bet river so deep with less than KK and possibly not even KK and I wouldn't expect him to flat a 3b pre with KK+ given the aggro dynamic. that said, a bluff here is so suicidal that you can't call. i would just call river when he c/r. the only value i can see in possibly 3betting is to snap against a 4bet bluff which i'd rather not do. are we expecting him to c/r/c river with AQ or what?

I'm not thrilled about the 3bet OOP 1000 bb deep against a young aggressive player. I think I like 3bet to 85, call, or fold better. On the flop bet bigger, he's not folding any gutter, 6x, or better when you 1/2 pot. The turn bet seems to not accomplish much. IDK if you're expecting to get called by worse to trying to fold 99-QQ but it's questionable. The river is definitely a call not a 3bet. Unless he's bad, the bottom of his value range to raise should be 8x which you're chopping against. For him to raise/call Ax on the river would be a huge spew so again, I don't think your 3bet accomplishes anything. As played when he 4bets, fold and "maybe sit the next couple of plays out".

Honestly, when stacks are very deep, i think that it is a huge mistake to assume that a player would have or should have 4b preflop with AA, KK, or AK. With very deep stacks, people play big pairs all sorts of ways, mostly because they are afraid of having to play multiple streets with an overpaid or tptk.

all this, agree with everything 100%

I was thinking kind of along this line. Almost half the hands were 3 bet pre, I had tried raise limits or add ante but the others didn't want it. On the flop I realize the amount I bet will only inflate pot, he is going to call half pot about as likely as full pot and h/u this was standard for this session so I didn't change it. Turn is pretty much the same, but I think I do have some f/e since I wasn't 2 barrelling a ton, if I check he may just start bombing. The river I really debated c/r, and in hindsight I think it better, or at least a pot/overpot bet. I really screwed the river up, at the time I was hoping my line would look really fos and he would call me down with an A or K, but when he 4bet jams all I could think was how unlikely it was for me to have aa/kk esp if he has 1 in his hand and that how much I was folding the river he could be bluffing..
The funny thing is my original plan on the flop was 2 bet 2 streets and then c/r the river, I probably should have just stuck to this

I also had a weird poker dream last night where I was playing 2/5 nl and I had 325 in front of me and got 200 in pre with qq and agreed to check it down with the other guy who had ak, the flop was akq and I hit quads on the river and made some stupid comment about how I didn't want to put the rest in because I was running bad on flips. I think the dream is telling me to stop playing super deep lol.

One thing nobody noticed is that he called the flop quickly but tanked on the turn. When someone calls quickly it usually means it's an easy decision for them, a clear call. This either means a medium strength hand where there is no point in raising or a draw for people who play draws passively. When he tanks on the turn it polarizes his range because if he has a marginal hand he needs to tank and decide if he is going to call again and if he has a strong hand he has to decide if he wants to raise now or slowplay.

I would even consider bet/folding the river here because it's impossible for him to have air unless he is turning the bottom of his calling range into a bluff (which is a way too advanced way of thinking for this guy), and it's hard for him to have worse for value (AK would probably 4bet pre if he is so laggy and you have been 3betting a ton) and given how loose he is, he can have any boat here.
I think he showed up with one of these hands given the timing on the turn.
A8, K8 or 68

Good lord. Really dislike the 3bet period. Dislike the sizing even more. Rule number one in deep poker is play pots in position. Don't make pots unnecessarily large out of position.

Flop and turn, OK fine, that's the least interesting and/or questionable portion.

River - my instinct would be to just call his raise. As others have suggested, you shouldn't be getting value on your 3bet from single pairs or even AK. So the only value is in getting him to go off the deep end with QJ or 10J, but that seems soooo rare in comparison to the times he has A8 or K8 or AA or KK. As RAWFORCE mentions, it is a little disconcerting that he shoves because he really shouldn't be shoving with anything except AA ans maaaybe KK, which substantially discounts his value range. However, if he's bad enough to shove QJ or 10J, he is probably bad enough to shove K8. As played, fold river.