Hopefully this one doesn't get moved to LLS forum as my last thread did, had multiple people advocating folding KK pre for 100 in a 200 pot with ~1200 eff behind in position. Anyways...

Villian: 50's one of the few players at the table with a clue. A little loose pre but pretty cautious, but straightforward post flop unless he has a very good hand. I had him as kind of a nit until I saw a pretty bizarre hand where he c/r river on an A high board with a/7 and it was good. The other guy just said something like I thought you were making one of your moves, other than that has only shown down quality hands. Stack ~6k.

Hero: Playing SLAG. I can't really help it, I have been getting pretty good cards and a few timely board improvements, plus the table is playing pretty loose/passive. In the ~4 hrs I have been playing I have 3bet at least 10 times and no one else has done it more than once. Everyone is playing back at me and because of some run good I've run my 1k into over 5k.

Pre: Limped to villian in mp who raises to 30, co calls I button raise to 145 with KK only villian calls.

Flop (340) 349 all spades. He checks, I c-bet 200, he raises to 600 I call.

Turn (1540) Js. He bets 750, I tank call.

River (3040) J. He bets 1k, I?

I have about 3.8k in front of me.

Easy call on river

I wouldn't call it easy but more of a crying call. The chance that he's betting Q is small but with that sizing it's possible and given description of villain is sounds like he can show up with some random bluffs.

Sigh and call.

I call/never fold. His river bet size is so curious. Small for value bet, could be blocking bet, could be teasing hoping you'll come over the top. It really depends on villain style/ability and his interpretation of your smarts. IMO it really leans toward blocking bet w/QQ tho-but we hate to put him on 1 hand. If he has A I see him betting bigger on river hoping you have the K. FH by him bets larger on river also. Reraise by us on river looks bluffy/bad but if our image is bluffy/bad we could get paid off by less. But if he shoves we're screwed of course.

Sigh call

line seems fine and i'd call river. Fold if he bets 2k or jams. 1k is a pretty huge bet in a typical 5/5 game even though it's tiny in regards to pot size, so i'm really hating life. still can't imagine it's not a profitable call being laid this price.

Call... but expect to see the A some % of the time here...

How do you guys justify calling the river. I have been in similar situations and villain has a boat or flopped AXss here so often.

if he is bluffing us of what he must know is a flush at worse why is he betting this amount on the river. I think it's a fold on a paired river

I highly doubt villian raised pre with 33/44 or c/r flop with JJ, so that leaves AxS and 99 as hands that beat me. Since there are a ton more combos of AS hands than 99 shouldn't raising get some serious consideration? Also I think we can take pure bluffs out of the equation this deep and I don't think Q high flush is as likely as A high here. I think calling here is probably +EV, I'm just not sure if it's best.

Fold turn. You are now solidly crushed by his flop c/r range.

I don't think it's close, and frankly I'm a little shocked by the chorus of "call" comments.

uhh no way i call

spaz factor is high, but that also means he couldve spazzed with tons of hands that also beat us that we wouldnt normally consider in his range?

You want to fold the 2nd nuts, in position, in a 3-bet pot, getting 3:1, vs. a player we saw c/r A7o on Axx for value?

You really think he is only making this move with the nuts here? I feel like he espects me to call his flop c/r with all overpairs and will fold to turn spade if I don't have one (or even if it isn't high). I was pretty sure he would check back the river and I would vbet, but him firing a third time didn't make me happy.

I think you're right. . . I think he expects us to continue on a decent % of the time. No one ever gives anyone credit on boards like this because of the high likelihood of A:spades: semi-bluffs.

If he's good, he knows this, and he's slamming the pot anyhow.

It's ok to fold the second nuts every once in awhile. I prefer to do it when someone else is extremely likely to have the nuts.

Does this make you exploitable? Only if you show, and only in spots that come up so rarely that they really don't matter at live poker speed.