Let's say I flatted, and villain in SB shoves.

What is our move if villain in MP:

1. Over shoves?

2. Folds?

1. is a real possibility, but if it's me once I call the first raise I'm probably going to go with it.
2. can't see folding - gambling of course but we know where the nuts are.

Have you seen SB cold call 3-bets a lot before? I would not suspect a solid reg to cold call 3 bets OOP not closing the action with small pocket pairs very often, thus making him a lot less likely to have a set.

With your nitty image I think you have to raise/get it in the flop b/c they literally will never call with anything that is not a set if they know you.

I think there is a ton of value in just taking down the pot right on the flop. If you just call the SB might decide he has the best hand with a big pocket pair and just shove himself on the flop. Also, if the flop does not get shoved on then you probably will be faced with a massive bet on the turn any time diamonds do not hit.

I think you will be suprised how often live players raise fold the flop in the middle position guys shoes with something like JJ.

I feel like MP has a set a high % of the time - dont think online guys raise pairs here OTF....looking at it some more, Id prob just raise/get it in - maybe you fold bottom set out some % of the time, you'd fold out JJ/QQ, and maybe worse diamonds get it in.....

MP can also have a decent amount of pure bluffs here if he is decent, because him raising the flop lead can put a ton of pressure on both the other two players if they only hold one pair hands.

I think he has enough fold equity to make this a pretty easy shove.

I had the same thoughts about the SBs cold calling range, and figured it was weighted with over pair combos. SB is your 10/25 heads up partner who had the flush to beat your KK. He would always ditch a small pair in that spot.

MP always drives the action when he is present, and today was no exception. He has no trouble going for multiple buy ins, and he was on about his third for this hand, and steaming a bit. This does not go unnoticed by SB, and his range may be wider for this reason. He may figure, like I would, it's an easy set mine, and easy fold if he misses.

Call. I don't think it's close.

I think people way overvalue pair + draw hands.

Shipping does two bad things:
1) drives out dominated hands
2) gets all our money in the middle against two-pair+

Do you know the SB well enough to know whether he would donk or C/C an OP here? His donking range might be either flush draws or monsters, if he's a solid reg. The problem with calling is, if the SB donks with sets in multiway pots and he chooses to re-pop it big, then you're kind of screwed.

I think this is a raise or fold here, but I'm leaning towards a fold because it's highly likely that at least one of them has a set. I mean, you only have $110 invested in this pot, so you could just let this one go based on the action. The SB's bet and MP's raise might have even saved you a c-bet.

Then again, if MP is a tourney player, he might be overplaying a hand like JJ, because in my experience, tourney players are more likely to raise with OP's while cash players might flat.

Ok, I'm rambling now. For me this would be a sigh...fold about 80% of the time and a raise the other 20.

I'm for 740/call cause live players do a lot of lol value-info-raise/folds

You guys must see a lot more raise/fold action in the games you play than I do.

Not really true in multiway 3bet pots.

+1, flatting still looks really strong I highly doubt overpairs are going to continue. I think your draw is slightly disguised since you 3-bet pre and depending what happens on the turn they might c/fold overpairs to you anyways, so no need to raise here.

3b/call and when he tanks, ask him if he wants to see a card, and let him pick

I would 3 bet to 900/call. I think we have a reasonable chance of folding JJish and having a lesser flush draw gamble with us which would be a landslide victory.

OP, given your description of V1 as a solid hand reader, what do you think his perception of your range is if you flat call? What about if you 3!

You have a great holding in terms of blockers. There is only 1 combo of TT and only 3 of AA, vs 18 combos of JJ-KK. Will V1 really want to 3! bloat the pot with JJ-KK OOP? It would take some serious stones to ship with those cards after the action goes raise, call.

I would think about the breakdown of V1s range--how would you expect him to play the stronger portion (22, 33, TT, AA) vs the weaker portion (JJ-KK)? Would he reliably raise the stronger grouping and just call with the weaker portion? Is he somewhat predictible in that sense? If yes, I think you would still be able to make a move for the pot on the turn with a sbluff. Especially since your flatting the flop looks strong to me (hence the question about what V1 would perceive you to be repping)

I think call/evaluate is the best course of action. Folding really can't be considered IMO.