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If he's turning 1 pair into a bluff I could see him calling off. You really aren't repping anything.

Flatting your open from the sb with 45s... Solid.

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09-09-2014 , 02:35 PM

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Alexo

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What wouldn't I give to see this hand posted from V's perspective holding 44/56/67 and have all the comments going from "he's gonna call 1pair" to "have to fold trips/fh because OR is always KK/TT"

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09-09-2014 , 03:25 PM

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Avaritia

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Originally Posted by Alexo

What wouldn't I give to see this hand posted from V's perspective holding 44/56/67 and have all the comments going from "he's gonna call 1pair" to "have to fold trips/fh because OR is always KK/TT"

While this does hold the possibility of being true (I don't think so), that wouldn't change anything.

We can advocate not jamming here bc we rep nothing and should get called by A high, and from villains perspective we can advocate folding everything that isn't quads/KK. Both could be correct. This is because poker consists of ranges and frequencies.

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09-10-2014 , 06:45 AM

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TimeBomb

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In this particular spot I don't have a folding range when I cr river. I'm not saying I never do... Just need some more history and there aren't many hands I'd get to the river with that I would turn into bluffs and I would never fold a value hand.

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09-11-2014 , 12:37 AM

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pilliapina

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To me it seems like once he 3-bets the river he is too polarized for me to want to bluff, I want someone to have medium strength hands in their range when I bluff, not have either air or nuts. I'm also quite confused as to how you came to the conclusion that he is capped when it appears to me he has 66 in his range and it's completely consistent with the line he took.

Is it just that in these games regs are expected to c/r every time they have a set on a somewhat coordinated board? If so, you should definitely implement overbetting into your game in a lot of spots, exploit those capped ranges with a balanced value/bluff ratio OTR.

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09-11-2014 , 07:42 AM

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Nirwanda

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xb flop

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09-11-2014 , 09:47 AM

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Avaritia

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Originally Posted by pilliapina

Is it just that in these games regs are expected to c/r every time they have a set on a somewhat coordinated board? If so, you should definitely implement overbetting into your game in a lot of spots, exploit those capped ranges with a balanced value/bluff ratio OTR.

Could you elaborate more on bolded?

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09-11-2014 , 11:45 AM

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pilliapina

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Originally Posted by Avaritia

Could you elaborate more on bolded?

Sure, I'm glad you asked.

When our opponent is capped and his range consists entirely of bluffcatchers, then every time we are able to bet the river with an unexploitable, balanced value/bluff ratio the pot effectively belongs to us. The reason for this is that the EV for our opponent folding and calling is exactly the same.

Check out the post by Zenfish in this highly informative thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...tting-1224862/

Zenfish also clearly demonstrates the principle of why you should often fold your unimproving bluffcatchers early even though every individual call would seem to be 0EV in a vacuum.

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09-11-2014 , 12:55 PM

#34

Avaritia

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Wow that thread is great thanks

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09-11-2014 , 01:06 PM

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moneyfornothing

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Originally Posted by RosaParks

God, you both seem so full of **** here. He'd probably c/r all the hands hes repping and you cant really have much of anything. This is suicidal if your intention is to make him fold anything other than air.

+1 +2 and +3

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09-19-2014 , 08:00 AM

#36

Olaff

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It was way overaggressive. River raises are rare. 3-bet rivers are even more rare. You're dealing with something very close to the nuts. Your 4-bet river bluff is suicidal I believe.

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