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Old 07-06-2012, 12:32 PM   #1
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5/10 - Weird River sport with nut flush

Effective stacks = $1000
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Hero: Known to make moves; known as aggressive. Villain is very familiar with Hero's game.

Villain #1: Solid LAG. Can get a little crazy at times but has been keepig it under control and is the big winner for the night.

Villain #2: Mega fish. Already checked behind or flat called river twice with the stone cold nuts tonight. Basically as bad as it gets.

Note: FWIW, all 3 players involved announced this was their last hand/last orbit.

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$10 straddle

Hero (UTG) raises to $35 with AJ and gets 5 callers (Villain #1 is CO and Villain #2 is BB).

Flop ($155 after rake): 824

Hero bets $85. folds to Villain #1 (CO) who thinks and calls. 2 more folds and Villain #2 calls in BB.

Thoughts: Giving up on this board probably isn't a bad idea but not a bad board to 3 barrell. Lots of good turns for me to bet for value/rep.

Turn $410: 8243

Hero checks, Villain checks, Villain checks. Was going for a c/r here. We were deep enough to where I think I could've gotten either villain off a non-nut flush with a shove.

River $410: 82432


Hero bets $250, Villain #1 shoves, Villain #2 folds, Hero ??? (about $550 to call)


Initially thought this was a snap fold but the more i think about it, what is villain really repping? He can't possibly call the flop with a set or 2p, especially when he had 2 or 3 people left to act behind him on the flop. But is he ever doing this with the K-high flush? Can he ever be bluffing with the fish behind him though (who could probably check behind turn with a flush )?
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Old 07-06-2012, 03:03 PM   #2
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Re: 5/10 - Weird River sport with nut flush

Why would anyone bluff in this spot? It's the last hand of the night, he's winning and no one ever tries to get people to fold the a of diamonds in this spot when isn't that much more to call unless they are a complete sicko
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Old 07-06-2012, 03:28 PM   #3
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Re: 5/10 - Weird River sport with nut flush

Agree with my British colleague that you don't usually see guys bluffing off their stack in the known last hand, though I've known a few who will do it.

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Old 07-06-2012, 04:18 PM   #4
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Re: 5/10 - Weird River sport with nut flush

agree with the above that it is a fold...the turn check by him is strange but plausible with a set (he only calls flop to keep the fish in ( though I guess you said there were multiple players still left which makes it worse)...checks turn because he feels WA/WB and is playing tighter on the last hand...).

Would be pretty sick of him to try and fold your A out with an overpair, but with the fish behind him, he can be sure that the fish wouldn't snap him with a mid to high flush (as you said in OP)
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:16 AM   #5
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Re: 5/10 - Weird River sport with nut flush

I am folding this to any competent player, and I am about as stationy as they get. I would pretty much snap any non-nitty rec player though. By betting the river and given action on previous streets you are repping exactly your hand, although a very small % of the time you could have the K or 88. Given action, pot size and stack depth villian would have to be pretty bad or fairly sure you fold the hand you have to make this play. Obviously if someone asks you about the hand you need to reply something like, "Man if I had the Ad I would have snapped your so lucky!".
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:31 AM   #6
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Re: 5/10 - Weird River sport with nut flush

Either the pot size on the flop is wrong or the rake is $55...
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:05 AM   #7
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Re: 5/10 - Weird River sport with nut flush

I prob check flop or continue to barrel on the turn. I don't think 1k is deep enough to fold out flushes at 5/10 in general.

Value hands he could get to the river with 1 combo of 56dd 2 combos 42s 3 88 3 44 1 22 at least half of these put in more action somewhere and 42 might fold pre. It's hard to find any plausible bluffs or worse value hands. I actually think it looks a little less likely you have the Ad or a boat when you check turn if you aren't a huge nit. pretty sick if he somehow had 84s. Timing/anything else interesting going on live on river?

Describe the LAG more age ethnicity likely internet player? The Have you ever seen him put a lot of money in on a bluff. Are you wearing your lawyer **** or do you look more like a young hoodie type. I'm still inclined to go along with the nit crowd without a little more pushing me towards the call
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:23 PM   #8
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Re: 5/10 - Weird River sport with nut flush

I think flatting a set on the flop with all the rest of the players left to act is actually a pretty STD, raising looks too strong and you will fold way to often, as well as the people behind, if he raises.

I don't know what you have?? I'm assuming AdJx, And if you did I think your CB is pretty bad into 5 people.

I'm not sure I like the turn play, I probably just go ahead and bet, As played I think it's close but folding is probably best.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:39 PM   #9
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Re: 5/10 - Weird River sport with nut flush

Is this a 2/5 game? I don't think I ever saw a 2/5 player bluff in this spot, and I played 2/5 full time for 2 years.
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