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5/10 villain pulls the stack a donk on me 5/10 villain pulls the stack a donk on me

05-15-2015 , 07:37 AM
Eff stax ~3300

Hero is up and has everyone covered. No one in this casino knows me so I should have a blank/clean slate. Currently 2nd tightest player at the table, only hands I showed down I had the goods. I did 3bet villain light OTB and ended up giving up when he called my flop cbet and he won with a middle pp. Can't remember if that happened before or after this hand though.

Villain looks like late 20s/early 30s white guy. Dressed in a neutral manner, doesn't look too much like a pro but he could be. He's LAG-ish preflop, seen him raising suited gappers and any Axs, but slows way down postflop. Gave up a few times when his cbets were called, also doesn't cbet when he gets multiple callers. Only saw him put big bets in postflop when he had overpair+. When I got to the table he was sitting on ~1500 and has since doubled up by value betting fish and getting paid.

Preflop:
2 limps, villain raises to $50 from MP, Hero calls with 44 from HIJ, 3 others call.

Flop: Ac 7h 4h
Checks to villain who bets $200 into $250, hero calls, everyone else folds.
There were 2 short stacks in the hand and I was hoping one of them would shove but I was not so lucky.

Turn 5s
Villain checks, hero bets $420 into $650, villain x/r to $1100, I tank for a min then call. While tanking I looked over and saw villain staring down at his cards/fake gulping/blinking a lot.

River 3o
Villain tanks for a minute then shoves ~1.9-2k, continues to give off those live tells plus he throws in the up and down leg shake for good measure.

I know I misplayed the turn by flatting instead of shoving as I think he has 2 combos of A7s, 2 combos of A6s, 65hh, and he might stack off with all of them. But as played his river shove doesn't make much sense if he has A7/A6 does it? The 4 card straight should hit my range way more than his yet he still shoves and gives off every "i have the nuts" tell in the world.
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05-15-2015 , 08:33 AM
A6 should be replaced with A5*
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05-15-2015 , 08:39 AM
Well .. it`s a fold, given everything you said about villain.

I don`t like shoving OTT, as calling keeps our range wider and I would probably call this blank river (this card doesn`t help villain at all, as he would not c/r A6hh, A2hh or x6hh OTT, right), if you did not describe villains behavior as creepy/nutty ..
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05-15-2015 , 06:15 PM
Seems like a fold, where was this played.
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05-16-2015 , 01:47 AM
This was played at the aria during the mayweather fight.
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05-16-2015 , 02:49 AM
I mean....if you're sure he's fake gulping and not just a nervous wreck than it turns what would generally be a rather difficult decision into a pretty routine fold.
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05-16-2015 , 04:01 AM
I didnt think this guy was a pro, but judging by the way he played he very obviously had some experience and wasnt a total fish. I cant imagine anyone with experience giving off all those tells by accident.
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05-17-2015 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pauper
This was played at the aria during the mayweather fight.
Well it wasn't vs me so its def a fold. Every time I flat to induce a short stack it never works. I don't fault you for flatting but I'd just raise this flop as there are really no bad outcomes.
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05-17-2015 , 08:05 PM
I know you said A6 should be replaced with A5, but I think A6ss is also credible in his range (especially A6hh)

I'm always fascinated when people lead flop and check/raise turn as in here. Anyway I think a strong value hand like two pair would lead turn as well, especially since you said earlier that V makes his money by value-owning opponents. Turn c/r smells like a strong draw, and everything except A5hh got there by the river.

I fold river unfortunately, but agree as you said that turn is a shove.
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05-18-2015 , 01:21 AM
Raise flop
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05-28-2015 , 02:10 PM
Strongly dislike villians play here unless he reads you as a maniac who is always going to stab once checked to. There's no way he is c/r a combo draw here. He is either overplaying 2 pair or has you overset. I fold about 80% of time. I'm not even considering any of the "tells" because you have no history about how this guy normally acts in big pots. This is never a bluff line a rec player will take. Also most pros won't take this strange line so it leads me to believe hes a rec who doesn't rly know what to do because he just flopped the world and is trying to pile as much in as possible on turn.
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05-31-2015 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by apology7
Strongly dislike villians play here unless he reads you as a maniac who is always going to stab once checked to. There's no way he is c/r a combo draw here. He is either overplaying 2 pair or has you overset. I fold about 80% of time. I'm not even considering any of the "tells" because you have no history about how this guy normally acts in big pots. This is never a bluff line a rec player will take. Also most pros won't take this strange line so it leads me to believe hes a rec who doesn't rly know what to do because he just flopped the world and is trying to pile as much in as possible on turn.
Why do u think there is no way he c/r a combo draw here? The flop is scary for two pair or a set, and the turn gets even worse. And when we look like we have an Ace or a draw, there's no reason V should give us a free card. I think it makes perfect sense that he has a strong draw and would check/raise for added fold equity. It's a good play imo and I've seen fish and pros alike make that move.

Tells can be pretty useful especially when readless, although I personally am not sure exactly what "fake gulping" is or how reliable it is.

Pauper can you post results please?

Last edited by HH2010; 05-31-2015 at 06:09 PM.
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06-01-2015 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by pauper
Currently 2nd tightest player at the table,
Without more information on this villains tells and more history I don't think you can assume they are fake. I personally believe the weakness in this spot. I also think your missing your image. If he reads your range is mostly a big A then his play is standard value betting.

I'm going to buck the trend here and say call but I am not a full time 5/10 player I play it only on weekends.
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