I'm posting this hand from my phone so I apologize for the poor quality of the post...

Game: 5/10 (uncapped)
Location: Rio (During WSOP)

7-handed

V1: Crazy Asian... Has shown some bluffs within last couple hrs and is playing very LAG. In an earlier hand, he 3bet all-in on a scary board on the river, in which V1 folded & Crazy asian showed 7 high (for absolutely nothing.

V2: Good player... Asian. Most likely an online reg and playing pretty deep.

Hero: $4k
V1: $6.5k
V2: $7k

V1 raises to $35 in UTG, Hero flats w/ 8s8c in MP, V2 flats on button. Blinds fold.
Flop.... 8hJhQs... V1 bets $85. Hero raises to $285, V2 flats, V1 flats.
(Pot: Approximately $1k))
Turns.. Ad... V1 checks, Hero bets $700 V2 flats V1 raises $3k on top!!!!

Whats the best decision here & why? Keep in mind the flush draw & the fact that V1 is a crazy asian and has shown down some crazy bluffs on a regular basis and the players at the table have added on to their stacks just cuz of his presence.

I'll post what I did and why after some posts.

Thanks all...

- NYtoCALI

My biggest dilmna with this hand is what would V2's flatting the flop and the turn range be and are there enough flush/straight combos in his range to make anything other than a fold profitable?

3k has you covered I think. Call and pray V2 doesnt have KT. You crush V1 range

If V1 was sane then this would be a fold as he wouldn't do this for value with worse. Given what you know about him he can have lots of combo draws or possibly be overplaying worse for value. I'm only worried about V2 having KT because he would be crazy not to 3bet JJ/QQ/AA preflop and I'd also expect him not to slowplay 9T. Call but I'm not happy about it.

I agree with both of your posts... Normally this was a fold, but after doing the calculations in my head, I should have about 40 to 45% equity against both villain's hand ranges (mostly due to V1's capability to greatly overplay hands). Therefore I tanked for a long time and called & V1 called. The river brought a J which I thought was good for me, but V1 shoved & V2 called for their remaining chips. V1 had JxQx (for a rivered boat & V2 said he had a straight (prob KT because if it was 9T, then it was played horribly & he was a good player).

Any thoughts from anyone else on my call & does anyone think a fold is better and why?

- NYtoCALI

Edit.... (I'm doing this from my phone so I once again apologize for the poor quality of the post...)

My perceived equity was 35% to 40% (not 40 to 45%). & I typed that V1 called the extra $3k after I called. When in fact it was V2 who had called since V1 was the player to initially make it $3k on top.

I hope this clears up any and all confusion

I call. Not thrilled.

There are so many two-pair hands in V1's range (AJ,AQ,QJ, even J8 if he's as lag as you say), and A-high flush draws just made TPFD, which fish like to overplay.

Also, this "crazy" player may be thinking the ace makes a good bluff card. (He's right, by the way, if you're thinking about folding sets here.)

Just because V1 showed a bluff earlier does not mean he's sticking in 400bb multiway with hands we beat on a super scary board. I fold here and shrug when worse hands get to showdown.

I don't like the turnbet given that you didn't know what to do to a raise. if you're going to bet the turn you should have a plan of what to do vs a raise from either V2 or V1.. I'm not saying you shouldn't bet the turn but you should bet with a clear plan as to various actions either villain could take.

and you get paid off more from a paired river if you check the turn.. whether or not their draws get there on the river.

also your perceived equity isn't as high as you think, V2's flat on the flop should set off alarm bells and turn is not a good card.

PS your hand description is quite confusing so I might've gotten the action wrong.. and you gave out results way too soon.

After v2 calls a bet and a raise on that board he usually has exactly JQ or 910, i guess k10 is possible given the stack sizes. I like the turn bet but when v2 flats you should be done with the hand unless the board pairs because he should never be calling a river bet with worse and your hand looks absurdly strong, after the 3k raise from v2 you are pretty much always beat. If v2 has a range of 2 pair plus and you have a set what could v1 be sticking around with.

Given that v2 is much deeper and much worse at poker than you i like the way v1 played it if he had 910, obviously he didnt want to take away v2s option to do something stupid.

Pot control somewhere along the line this deep, on this board, against these two.

calling but not happy about it.

how do you figure you still have 30-35% with V2 in the hand? the only way is if I start givin V2 a chunk of two pair hands in addition to the ass end of a draughts and a sprinkle of draws with blockers... but I want to say some of those fall out on the turn when he flats the 3K with action opened back up to you.

V2 acts after us he did not flat the 3k

This is really close, but I call. The fact that v2 is in the hand does make me think v1 is really strong here though.