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5/10:  turn decision with a small flush 5/10:  turn decision with a small flush

05-25-2017 , 05:09 AM
5/10 NL live game, 6 handed.

V1 - 5k - fishy , loose , station , got caught in several bluffs in the past 4 hrs, loves the action

Hero - 1800 - TAG image, but has been playing lots of pots with V1 , with V1 winning most of them :/

6 handed.

UTG Straddle to 20.

Hero raises 60 UTG+1. MP reg calls. V1 calls from Button.

Flop: Qs 7d 2d

Hero bet 140, V1 calls quickly.

Turn: Ad. Hero bets $240. V1 raises to 640.

Hero jam / flat ?

Thanks


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05-25-2017 , 05:51 AM
Call seems mandatory. River play should be more interesting, hoping to face a smallish bet or showdown; soul read against shove (mostly folding)
Don't forget to mention how big your flush is, 98dd would be a little better to defend river than 65dd
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05-25-2017 , 08:09 AM
Yeah turn's a mandatory flat.

Probably never folding river with even a small flush unless board pairs and he just jams when we have a 6 high flush
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05-25-2017 , 10:51 AM
Against this guy who loves to bluff, I'm calling and calling most rivers that don't bring another

This is going to be KX enough to justify it.
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05-25-2017 , 03:15 PM
Sorry, forgot to say:

Hero has 6d 8d




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05-25-2017 , 11:20 PM
Fold pre.

AP, call turn and call most rivers
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05-26-2017 , 01:22 AM
Fold pre
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05-27-2017 , 01:41 PM
Opening preflop.

Don't really like turn sizing. 375/jam river seems better vs this guy. As played, call.
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05-27-2017 , 05:51 PM
68s utg +1 open in fr is rlllly loose
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05-27-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
68s utg +1 open in fr is rlllly loose
its 6 handed*
but ya still a fold
AP always calling vs this V
non pair/non diamond river is debatable to call off on but probably a fold. More detail on the spots he was caught bluffing in would be helpful
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05-28-2017 , 03:45 PM
Given it's a straddled pot you have less than 100bb's to start the hand. So basically it just comes down to whether it's better to shove now or c/c river. I'm leaning toward shoving now being better. I think with that kind of raise he's pot committing himself. It's <1k to him if you shove over his raise. A lot of river cards can kill your action or lose you the hand if he has the Kd. If you were a little deeper then I'd say call and c/c river but I think he's committed himself with this raise.

Only reason to consider not shoving is if he has total air or some middling pair that he's turning into a bluff that won't call your shove. e.g. if he has 87 or 99. If he has like QJ and he's trying to bluff you off Ax he'll probably check behind on river if you just call the turn raise.
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05-28-2017 , 09:09 PM
I agree. I'd only ever flat the turn against opponents where I know I can own their soul on the river and therefore wouldn't need to solicit feedback on the hand. Otherwise I'd want my money in before the river (assuming I think my hand is good enough against his range, of course).
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06-01-2017 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
68s utg +1 open in fr is rlllly loose
It's 6max so we're in the HJ in what I can assume is a pretty soft line-up given V1. We still have 100bb-ish (given straddle) so I don't think the open pre is really loose or bad. Probably near the bottom of my opening range in this spot.

Turn is a must call as played I think; I don't see a lot of merit in raising unless he's never bluffing without the Kd. I mean how often are we facing a worse hand that calls us besides exactly Kdx? The flush card is the most visible scare card for recs and I doubt he's raising AQ, A7, slowplayed sets, etc on the turn. I guess it comes down to how often we think he's spazzing with a random hand; if we don't think he is, then ya, jam it in there bud. Also, it's not like rivers are hard to play in this spot unless a diamond comes, which is only like 16% of the time.

I think we should size up on the turn vs this guy.

Last edited by Jarretman; 06-01-2017 at 10:56 AM.
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06-01-2017 , 03:09 PM
There are a lot of diamonds other than the K that are drawing live against us, and I'd want my money in on the turn against all of those hands. For that matter, I'd like all of my money in on the turn if he has a lower diamond like 3d3x as well, since he'd probably call it off drawing dead.

I think you're also too quick to dismiss the possibility of a set or something like A7 (based on the "loves the action" description and the fact that he has a bluffy image and has apparently been getting action on his bluffs) which will also call it off here but get away on some rivers.

Preflop, this is well outside of what I'd consider a reasonable opening range.
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06-02-2017 , 06:10 PM
If we think he's raise calling worse for value then I agree turn is a shove.

As for pre, 68s from the HJ in most live lineups seems pretty reasonable to me (although granted it's different because UTG is actually a straddle and not a folded hand). It might be close to a fold or indifference but it's not well outside, that's ridiculous.
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