$5/$10 - Top Set on a 987 Board

[KneedUrDough]

V1 - (UTG w/~$800) - Young Asian girl, very tight opening range with a looser calling/limping range, mostly passive post but has a habit of over valuing big pairs, bottom two, etc.

V2 - (BB w/~$800) - Mid 40's white guy, loose-passive fish, small bets for info, chases bad draws, calls down with TPWK, fairly un-bluffable (unless you smash one of his 'info' bets but he still might come along.)

Hero - Just moved into the game from a broken table with a lot of chips, known to V1 as a super aggressive winning player (that she is afraid of.) Unknown to V2 (recognizes me but doesn't have a clue.) This is the second hand I've seen.

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Preflop: Hero in CO with 9 9V1 raises to $60, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $60, fold, SB folds, V2 calls $50

Flop: ($185) 9 8 7 (3 Players)
V2 bets $60, V1 calls $60, Hero?

[Nirwanda]

Is there a question? Or do you just want to know the amount to raise?

I'd make it $235.

[KneedUrDough]

Originally Posted by Nirwanda

Is there a question? Or do you just want to know the amount to raise?

I'd make it $235.

This is not some kind of 'cooler' hand where I want to know if I could get away lol. It's a 'plan of attack' type question; a 'how careful should we be?' type puzzle. Do we 'blow it up' or keep it manageable?

So you're raising to $235 and calling a shove from V2, V1, both?

Is anybody ever just calling here?

[sasha]

So villain 1 overvalues hands, and villan 2 is unbluffable , and calls Down with weak draw.
Never ever just calling with these 2 villans.

[harborlaw387]

Oh no if you call you don't want to get frozen up on a bad turn card. You can still get value from Villain 1 if she has 2p, pair w/ sd or over pair and you basically said Villain 2 will call anything so raise the flop to about 180. I know that it is on the smaller side, but your raise may be perceived as a probe raise and I see V1 shoving with 2p and combo draws (because since she is so scared of you she will try to end the hand right there and doesn't want you to outplay her).

If they 3 bet you, just ship it, if they call, then bet 400 ott. You are so shallow i'm value betting/raising every chance. You are hoping they both call you or shove on you.

[snappo]

Facts (according to you):

Pot: $305 (with the bet and call in front)

Remaining stack size: ~$750

Both villains are either "unbluffable" or overvalue big pairs/2pair.

You have top set.

You have a super-aggressive image (to at least one of the villains).

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Are you really unsure what you should do here? FFS one single pot-sized raise here is already putting half your stack in...

Sorry you lost to a flopped straight or whatever.

[KneedUrDough]

Originally Posted by snappo

Sorry you lost to a flopped straight or whatever.

as stated earlier... this is not a cooler hand

pot is now $305 ($60 to call making it $365)

villains both have ~$680 behind

[mg0698]

raise/call ez game with there stack sizes and reads

[snappo]

Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

as stated earlier... this is not a cooler hand

pot is now $305 ($60 to call making it $365)

villains both have ~$680 behind

Fine, it's not a cooler hand...did you read any of the rest of what I wrote? For you to even call it a "cooler" implies that you have to get all the money in, and if you lose, it's a cooler. Exactly. You said it yourself. You can't get away, if you lose it's a cooler. You have only 2x the pot left and it's 3-handed; there's no "keeping it manageable". So what's your question?

[KneedUrDough]

Originally Posted by snappo

So what's your question?

you stated your position (and I actually did what you suggested) so you can move on.

I guess what I was asking before is if I could call and then most likely get it in on most turns (possibly getting both stacks) while folding if a horrible turn card comes and I get too much action. <-[but that sounds terrible now that I actually typed it out.]

thx

[AAismyfriend]

Originally Posted by mg0698

raise/call ez game with there stack sizes and reads

Ya wtf

[Andrew Boccia]

Originally Posted by snappo

Facts (according to you):

Pot: $305 (with the bet and call in front)

Remaining stack size: ~$750

Both villains are either "unbluffable" or overvalue big pairs/2pair.

You have top set.

You have a super-aggressive image (to at least one of the villains).

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Are you really unsure what you should do here? FFS one single pot-sized raise here is already putting half your stack in...

Sorry you lost to a flopped straight or whatever.

yep, how is this a thread.

[AintNoLimit]

Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

This is not some kind of 'cooler' hand where I want to know if I could get away lol. It's a 'plan of attack' type question; a 'how careful should we be?' type puzzle. Do we 'blow it up' or keep it manageable?

So you're raising to $235 and calling a shove from V2, V1, both?

Is anybody ever just calling here?

I think this can be a bit thin preflop here when its still only HU, but no Im not ever flatting this flop with all the variables present. After doing a ton of drill down on my online database (then translating it as best as I can to live) basically looking at how often ranges like QQ KK AA get fouled by the flop, HU my results show that they have to either be the type to spew off several streets with air, or be the type who wont give up QQ on a Kxx x board to be really worth it preflop.

I know we normally are not just set mining with 99, but how tight is her opening tight range? Like if she only opens pairs JJ+ and wont spew off too much on overcard flops, then im pretty sure this is a fold pre. Its really hard to put specific numbers on these but I bring it up only because many players I talk to dont know it is as close as I believe it is.



Funny thing is that if it is KK+, then i think EZ-call pre as the flop doesnt kill the action often enough for us when we flop the set.

[novel20]

80 big blind and in live pokers u never ever fold a top set. Try to get as much money in the middle and profit.

[dudebroIII]

FPS ... Just raise it up or you are owning yourself by letting free cards come off