Villain checks the turn, I shove. He tanks and says what could you have but 66, and folds 22 face up.

Want to switch games? I would get called here by less than aq, of course I wouldn't have it though. I can only assume villian knows you can never have a draw/bluff here, and I can't agree more. I think A6ss is a flattable hand, but jamming the turn is borderline suicidal.
What was your rationale for flatting flop? I am assuming you wanted the 410 to come along and he didn't.

Fwiw, you aren't closing out the action so I think flatting this flop looks incredibly strong to any good player who views you as good, you just have to have it here.

I think you played it fine. You were just unlucky that the guy you set over setted is one of the best full ring online cash players around. And he had the advantage of knowing that you are an SNE as well.

I felt unlucky that it was vs. him, he was super sick. One of the reasons for this post was that the guy next to me suggested that I might be better off betting like $1k on the turn and shoving the river, and I thought he was an excellent live player. I was honestly unprepared for villain to check there as I expected him to shove the turn with everything. I think that when he checks, his hand is weightedto draws a lot(though I had the 6s) but I doubt that many villains would put such a large amount of money on the turn having given up the initiative.

OP and villian are both SNEs? screen names?

a and b are obvious jams, I probably cram A6ss on him too.

22 not sure what I do there, definitely not folding, probably jamming most of the time.

fold the rest, could imagine scenarios when I would flat AQ and 35s but this isn't one of them.

Sick hand , I would have played it the same way.

wait what did u have?

66

Just stumbled across this thread. This is my interpretation of the hand (I'm the guy who folded the 2s). I had noticed that you were playing very solid and you knew what you were doing. One key piece of information that you left out was the stack size of the caller in MP, which was about $2k. When I made it $1100, I had a look at his stack size to see if he could reopen the action. You are obviously a good player and should have noticed his stack size also. For you to call in that spot with a combo draw, knowing that MP could ship and reopen the action to allow me to ship, would make your call pretty suspect imo. I assumed you called with 66 hoping he would ship to reopen the action.

Even if you didn't notice his stack size, there was another reason why I needed to fold my set. Considering how solid you were playing, when you shoved the turn for give or take 300bbs, you weren't afraid of me having 66 which is decidedly in my range (although probably 90% of the time I continue on the turn with that hand). You basically never have QQ in that spot, you don't have 22, and the most important consideration imo is that you have to expect me to continue with a very large bet on the turn (even though I didn't). Knowing this, you aren't getting the appropriate odds on the flop to call with a combo draw given that i'm going to pretty much shove all turns.

Although I tank folded, you'll stack 95% of live players in the spot and got pretty unlucky that the hand was against me.

ya pretty brutal to run this hand against gutter, nice analysis and NF

So you're saying you can't fold bottom set 400bb deep? What do you beat? Any rationale on why you'd jam 22? How deep do you have to be to fold a set?

a) Call. I'd even call a turn , esp. if I had Q. If he has a set we need to make sure our turn valuebet doesn't push out his b/catch range.

b) Raise/get it in. The merits of slowplaying require villain to have 3bluffs/super thin isos here, but with our hand and the nature of this board we can rep 65/7/8/9/A and 35ss,45ss,34ss .

The downside to this is that if villain has a combo draw he might fold using simple card removal + combinatorics. A flat is better if we think villain is the type to like to bet stacks off vs. calling off and will fold correctly to our raise all 1 pair hands and some combos of 2 -pair hands. I had giving the fish odds to his draw and be forced to call it off on the turn getting generous pot odds to boat.

b) Raise/Get it in or call. I don't think that villain has QQ very often but can have some sort of hand that he will never fold or 66.

If you think villain is on the nittier side I think a flat and all in on any non-.

c) fold

d) ship if you have strong fold equity from all villains 1 pair hands, otherwise fold.

e) Ship & hope he folds an overplayed AA/KK/AQ after fish overcalls with 53ss and he can't put us both on combo-draws.

f) I would probably overcall and make some tough decisions on the turn. SInce villain has little or no air in his 3b range it makes our hand a lot harder to play so although we are often ahead it will be against a combo draw or a 6x but with the fish in the pot we can still get future value from the fish although the spot vs the reg is probably breakeven or slightly -EV.

Uhmmm you would fold bottom set but over call AQ?

Lol good catch. I'm not folding bottom set. the second b) is actually c) and i'd probably fold 52ss unless "you have strong fold equity from all villains 1 pair hands".

Hey Gutter,

I'm glad you found this, so you know for sure. You left that day before we could chat too much more.

You bring up a good point about the stack size of the flop raiser. I remember looking to see how much he had, but not being overly concerned because I didn't think he had too much. The main reason I cold called the flop was that I thought you would definitely fold 22 to a flop shove/reraise in that spot so I didn't think I could get called by worse (you prob even fold a draw for $3300ish) more. You are right that a combo draw call there would be dicey given the action, and if I did continue, I would often shove the flop I guess.

I was expecting you to bet/ship all nonspade turns when I just coldcalled and wasn't really prepared for you to check the turn. I think you(and most others) are probably folding their entire turn range when they check, so I'm not sure if my bet sizing was too great. The pot was $2800ish on the turn with $3300 effective. Thoughts on betting like $1kish(both vs. you, and vs weaker opponents)?

Nice fold. Damn you. Nice fold.