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Old 02-04-2012, 01:05 PM   #1
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5/10 overpair oop against solid reg

Villain and I have played a few times over the years with no really notable between us. He probably thinks I'm slightly spewy because the last time I played with my friend made a huge three barrel bluff that got snapped off by TPTK. Villain is a solid, thinking pro who usually plays pretty tight and has the goods but I've seen him make some very nice big (correct) calls.

Villain just got to the game 20 minutes ago and bought in for 1000, is currently up to 1300. I cover by a lot which I think makes me more of a target.

Villain limps UTG+1, weak-tight fish calls in CO, small blind folds, I raise to 45 with 99, Villain calls, fold. I think a limp/call from this player signifies he's more likely to have small pairs, Axs, and suited connectors, as he's unlikely to limp/call easily dominated hands.

Flop (105): 4s 6x 7s

I bet 50 which was probably a mistake. I thought I could represent a wide range with the bet, as well as keep the pot a manageable size. However I didn't really think about how I'd react to a raise and should have just bet 75-85.

Villains raises the weak-looking bet to 175. Pot is 330 and 125 to call. Action here and plan for blank and bad turns?
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:12 PM   #2
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Re: 5/10 overpair oop against solid reg

call. What's the turn?
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:22 PM   #3
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However I didn't really think about how I'd react to a raise
^this is a problem^

if u call here, what turn cards are u going to like? granted, he may be drawing but he may not. I guess u could call and reevaluate OTT but I'd just dump it.

...cbet should be bigger as well
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:53 PM   #4
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I called turn is 4x
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:40 PM   #5
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Just fold the flop raise, you are oop with a flop that hits his small pair/Ax suited range pretty well.
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:42 PM   #6
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OOP with a hand that is crushed by villains value range here, easy fold imo.
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:46 PM   #7
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pf riase size pretty much begs for this situation. i either wouldnt raise or make it bigger.
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Old 02-05-2012, 07:27 PM   #8
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some of the replies above are making me think that I should MHSFR so the games remain soft.
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:14 PM   #9
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Against a tight straightforward player you can dump this pretty easily, you're either dead or flipping. Seems pretty unlikely he raises A7s in this spot and his more marginal draws likely float you rather than popping the flop.
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:07 PM   #10
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pf riase size pretty much begs for this situation. i either wouldnt raise or make it bigger.
Just curious because this seems to be a common response, what should pf sizing be here? If you make it 60 or 70 you're still getting called when deep and still in the same spot except now the pot is bloated even bigger. I just think this is a standard msnl response that doesn't really change much. Can you walk me through the logic?
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:10 PM   #11
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Is this a spot where you raise if passive fish are in the hand and maybe call if you're going to be oop against good thinking players? Is the sizing really the issue here?
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:30 PM   #12
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I can see merit for raising larger pf as it allows us to widen our raising range here, people will often give credit for a big pair when you make a large raise out of the BB, and 99 is a hand that is much easier to play when villains are overestimating the strength of your holding.
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Re: 5/10 overpair oop against solid reg

how often does this solid thinking pro limp? not sarcastic
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:14 PM   #14
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I can see merit for raising larger pf as it allows us to widen our raising range here, people will often give credit for a big pair when you make a large raise out of the BB, and 99 is a hand that is much easier to play when villains are overestimating the strength of your holding.
Yeah I'm going to disagree. Raising 45 or 60 in this spot doesn't change much as far as our perceived range. A good player is putting us on 88/ajs+ either way. Not sure how with the given flop a bigger pf raise is going to change the action. Were still getting the same calls and were still in a tough spot except now the pot is bigger and any mistakes are magnified.
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Old 02-10-2012, 06:00 PM   #15
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Re: 5/10 overpair oop against solid reg

If hes solid hes not usually limp calling oop with low connectors. Has a set more then 3/4 of the time here. The times he doesn't your in bad shape against every combo he has, no reason to get yourself in a spot where half the deck is bad for you on the turn. Muck-em.
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