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08-01-2012, 08:36 PM
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journeyman
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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Originally Posted by massivetilt99
when you check raise allin, you might get his draws to call and his low 2 pairs to fold out. that is the way some of these guys would act in this spot because you are repping a hand that crushes 2 pair, they might fold that out and call with big draws "because they have to call"
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I think the opposite would happen. When you c/r all-in ott you're only getting called by hands that beat you. Calling the turn is by far the best play in this spot.
With no reads on villain I am tank shoving the river.
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08-01-2012, 09:44 PM
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#32
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The Situation
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
I guess I would normally have played pre, flop and turn different from OP - pre raise was 25% less than normal, not sure why - were you planning to 4 bet if someone 3 bet you?
Flop I'd either bet, planning to 3 bet, or CR depending on the opponenent, but I'm usually willing to gamble for stacks in this situation with only 2k at risk unless I'm really certain I'm up against a set, so as played I'd CR. OP said he thought of CR but was diverted (I guess) by the slight overbet.
Turn I'd bet - too late for the CR IMO with one card to come but I'd probably bet/call and and see how much he really likes his hand . As played, calling the turn.
As played on the River I think you have to lead - if he does have a lower flush you should at least get a call, and probably the same with a set , as well as a crying call with some sort of two pair. Ideally of course he has a decent flush and raises, but he shouldn't do that the way you played it.
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08-01-2012, 10:08 PM
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#33
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
shoving is best. nh.
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08-01-2012, 11:20 PM
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#34
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adept
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NJ
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
Getting it in on the flop is pretty bad, but other than that it's kinda hard to play this one badly unless you fold, and even then a river fold when you brick might be ok. As played I like calling turn instead of stuffing, because I don't think worse hands are going to call you often and better are rarely folding and I would rather give villian a chance to bluff/vtown himself on the river as I don't think he knows you have ak let alone hearts also. I think river is close between bet and check, if you think you can do something fishy like count out some chips like you will bet and then give the angry check you can easily induce. I would probably take my time and bet something like 750, opponent probably feels very confident and is more likely to call you. Conversly, if he is at least a semi-thinking player he will probably think there is no way you can have a flush since he was betting so strong, and a check may induce him to go all in if he happens to have a set or maybe even aces up. I think without knowing the opponent too well, betting>checking and never for less than 60% of the pot.
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08-04-2012, 10:04 AM
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#35
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Austin, TX
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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08-04-2012, 07:04 PM
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#36
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veteran
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
Hand is played well on flop and turn vs. an aggressive villain (not Internet kid raise cbet person) Everyone else though I prefer betting.
I think your range is likely greater for checking the river given how the hand has played out whereas I am not sure if you have a bluffing range. Fish love to call though just based on hand strength, which over betting at any point from a weak player usually infers a big hand, so I can't begrudge you too much.
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08-04-2012, 09:27 PM
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The Situation
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
Franklin,
Out of curiosity how would you have played it if you had followed through with your plan of CR the flop and V 3 bet you? Lets say you CR to 350, he made it 1200 on the flop?
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08-06-2012, 08:53 PM
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#38
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banned
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Vdara
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
more importantly, what will you be doing the next 2 years of your life until you flop TPTK + NFD again?
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08-07-2012, 10:56 PM
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#39
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2010
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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Originally Posted by jrr63
Franklin,
Out of curiosity how would you have played it if you had followed through with your plan of CR the flop and V 3 bet you? Lets say you CR to 350, he made it 1200 on the flop?
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It's hard to be objective since I know,the hand but I don't think getting 200bb+ in against a recreational player who would never make that play w less than 2 pair is a great idea. When he bets 500 on turn I actually wanted to fold as I pretty much just have a bare flush draw. At this point I called bc I figured hed pay me off if I hit. If I river a k I'm getting stacked. Just thought the hand was interesting in that you don't see overbets like this often and 500 on turn is a huge bet to most rec live players.I honestly think people overplay strong draws and fail to realize how weak their draws are given the action.
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08-07-2012, 10:58 PM
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#40
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2010
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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Originally Posted by MrHickey
more importantly, what will you be doing the next 2 years of your life until you flop TPTK + NFD again?
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Stacking online donks that can't adjust to live games. Appreciate the constructive input.
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08-08-2012, 04:04 AM
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#41
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
I posted this already on page one but a mod deleted it. Going to try one more time.
Fold flop. You don't even have a combo draw - your outs are all either dead or completely transparent. Your immediate and implied odds are not good enough to continue and it isn't close.
The flop bet sizing is a huge live tell at this level. AQ is not in range. You are crushed. Easy fold.
I know it's depressing and tilting that live players can be so predictable, and I'm sorry. I feel your pain, trust me. Fold and use the money you save to buy yourself a cheeseburger and hopefully you'll feel better.
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08-10-2012, 12:14 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Austin, TX
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
You're right. Folding top pair w nfd is probably the best play. As I write I wonder, why am I responding to this?
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Originally Posted by boredatheist2
I posted this already on page one but a mod deleted it. Going to try one more time.
Fold flop. You don't even have a combo draw - your outs are all either dead or completely transparent. Your immediate and implied odds are not good enough to continue and it isn't close.
The flop bet sizing is a huge live tell at this level. AQ is not in range. You are crushed. Easy fold.
I know it's depressing and tilting that live players can be so predictable, and I'm sorry. I feel your pain, trust me. Fold and use the money you save to buy yourself a cheeseburger and hopefully you'll feel better.
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08-10-2012, 02:36 PM
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#43
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veteran
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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Originally Posted by franklin58
You're right. Folding top pair w nfd is probably the best play. As I write I wonder, why am I responding to this?
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I can't fold the flop, but on the turn folding may be the best play. What do you beat? You're obv crushing any flush draws but how many make this bet on the turn, maybe one combo of straight flush draw and an occasional spaz? Does AQ ever do this? That or several combos of two pair or better which you have been given terrible odds to draw against.
Edit: Also, what are your plans for a blank river? Check fold?
Last edited by FoldnDark; 08-10-2012 at 03:00 PM.
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08-10-2012, 03:36 PM
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#44
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adept
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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Originally Posted by franklin58
It's crazy how fish play a great hand so hard to look like a bluff when they obv have nuts
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UCWIDT? river is imo trivial x/c
also, his turn bet is not b/c he is "soooo protecting" but it plays well vs weak range which you are repping /w flop x/c
also, lol @ all those c/r/f responses
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08-10-2012, 11:28 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Austin, TX
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
I can't fold the flop, but on the turn folding may be the best play. What do you beat? You're obv crushing any flush draws but how many make this bet on the turn, maybe one combo of straight flush draw and an occasional spaz? Does AQ ever do this? That or several combos of two pair or better which you have been given terrible odds to draw against.
Edit: Also, what are your plans for a blank river? Check fold?
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Blank river I'm def check folding
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