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| Medium-High Stakes Full Ring Discussion of $400+ pot-limit and no-limit and 5/10 live texas hold'em full ring games, situations and strategies |
07-31-2012, 12:35 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 327
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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Originally Posted by TimeBomb
C/r flop smallish to like 275, but fold to repops  As played, I am getting my station on, even though card rack is going to have A4ish type hand a lot. You bet really small pre and a lot of players will think your hands strength is directly correlated to your bet sizing. It is a tough spot, but I am call/evaluating. I think river could be a solid spot to blocker bet, although it is super gross if he just stuffs on you.
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What does a cr accomplish here?
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07-31-2012, 05:24 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: beantown
Posts: 5,150
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
NOT FOLDING.
Not sure if I call brick rivers, but maybe. You didn't really give any info about how this villain plays post flop.... your only "reads" were that he "card racked to 3k" which doesn't say much. is he aggressive? bluffly? loose-passive? age/race/how he's dressed are also things that can give you a bit of info...
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07-31-2012, 06:06 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 129
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
It smells like he has a strong ace and wants to push you off a flushdraw or spiking 2p.
I'd c/c turn + river (unless i river the nuts) ... yes if he has a set he's taking me to value-town but unless I've seen him do it before, I don't believe an unknown is playing better than 1p this strong.
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08-01-2012, 12:09 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: taiwan
Posts: 586
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
call. what's the river?
if he has a brain he probably knows your turn c/c is as strong as hell. hard for him to continue with his bluffing range. probably fold to a river shove if it bricks.
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08-01-2012, 05:12 AM
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adept
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: NJ
Posts: 917
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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Originally Posted by franklin58
What does a cr accomplish here?
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Allows you to take initiative in the hand and value at the same time. Most of the time you will get called and they will check back the turn, allowing you to play the rest of the hand the way you want. The times they repop is pretty much only when they have you soundly beat. Sometimes they will fold aj/aq, but I have found that I still get looked up fairly often with hands I beat, the times I just call flop is when I am against someone likely to bluff or someone who just always has better than toptop and probably will 3bet.
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08-01-2012, 05:46 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: William Penns Woods
Posts: 1,681
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I looked at this post for 15-20 minutes analyzing up and down what I would do in this situation. I already can't wait to read the "spoilers".
His range:
1010 or better
AQ or better
56
47, A,7 A4
Two hearts
I didn't put any set possibilitys because everybody just tries to get sneaky with those. Would either be a check or a small bet. Next we have the 10 10 or better. Ive seen this before where he wants to trap you PF with a low board but then just tries to take it down and fires back. (2nd)
AQ maybe trying to push you off any draw and trying to get paid for his A. Though not likely. (4th)
Putting 56 and hearts in the same category here. Hes trying to juice up the pot if any of these hit. Very likely. (3rd)
Oddly enough I've got him on a flopped two pair maybe even a 47. Trying to protect. Afraid of the flush afraid of getting counterfeited. Trying to take what pls in the pot right there. (1st - one time!)
Can't wait to hear the results.
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08-01-2012, 07:54 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 327
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
Ok I called the $500 turn bet. River is the 8h giving me the nuts. a) lead. If so how much. Approximately $1600 behind b) check raise
I'll wait for some of these comments and then post results in a day or so
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08-01-2012, 08:32 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Ireland
Posts: 267
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
i dont get it, ship the ****ing chips in wtf? You have top pair, top kicker with nut flush redraw? he can spass a10,aj-aq types of hands like this also, or even hands like 56 suited, honestly i think this is retarded, why raise ak if your not willing to put money in with nut fd and top pair top kicker?
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08-01-2012, 08:35 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 327
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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Originally Posted by climbs
i dont get it, ship the ****ing chips in wtf? You have top pair, top kicker with nut flush redraw? he can spass a10,aj-aq types of hands like this also, or even hands like 56 suited, honestly i think this is retarded, why raise ak if your not willing to put money in with nut fd and top pair top kicker?
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It's responses like this that make me never want to post or look on 2p2 again. I'm actually embarrassed that this even got a response from me. Please come play in my game.
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08-01-2012, 08:38 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Ireland
Posts: 267
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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Originally Posted by franklin58
Ok I called the $500 turn bet. River is the 8h giving me the nuts. a) lead. If so how much. Approximately $1600 behind b) check raise
I'll wait for some of these comments and then post results in a day or so
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betting is obv, check raiseing is horrible as he checks back all his value hands i think, since the flush got there and supposably that's why he was overbetting to get you off a flush, so he will check back most likely with any kind of value hand. i'd lead out the river small like 400$ make it look bluffy even tho everything got there, 56 hearts etc. but yeh with his overbet, ott i dont think he's betting this river unless hes got a complete naked bluff.
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08-01-2012, 08:40 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Ireland
Posts: 267
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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Originally Posted by franklin58
It's responses like this that make me never want to post or look on 2p2 again. I'm actually embarrassed that this even got a response from me. Please come play in my game.
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if you know what the right play is why are you asking?
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08-01-2012, 11:16 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: wny
Posts: 393
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Definitely leading on river. Not 100% on sizing. I think we should go with whatever looks bluffier. Either shove or bet like 800. I think I'd probably shove. Make it look like we're trying to steal on a scary river that hits every draw. Hopefully he's bad enough to call with a set or two pair and best case he has a smaller flush. If he has 56hh oh well rebuy.
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08-01-2012, 11:20 AM
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#28
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 278
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Quote:
Originally Posted by franklin58
Ok I called the $500 turn bet. River is the 8h giving me the nuts. a) lead. If so how much. Approximately $1600 behind b) check raise
I'll wait for some of these comments and then post results in a day or so
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I lead here. I believe this guy is an unknown so I wouldn't count on him firing again. It would suck if he just ckd behind.
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08-01-2012, 01:06 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 79
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
I can only say what I would do. In 5-10 games, I shove the turn as played vs. this villain and brief history every single time. Non-regs, recs show up with a whole bunch of weird hands(fds, sds, a lot of one pairs betting for protection) you crush here and I think being timid/weak here would really hurt your win rate. Against a Reg or competent (which it would never be because they would never overbet this way) I might fold.
when you check raise allin, you might get his draws to call and his low 2 pairs to fold out. that is the way some of these guys would act in this spot because you are repping a hand that crushes 2 pair, they might fold that out and call with big draws "because they have to call"
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08-01-2012, 02:09 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,507
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Re: 5-10 overbet pot with huge hand
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Originally Posted by climbs
betting is obv, check raiseing is horrible as he checks back all his value hands i think, since the flush got there and supposably that's why he was overbetting to get you off a flush, so he will check back most likely with any kind of value hand. i'd lead out the river small like 400$ make it look bluffy even tho everything got there, 56 hearts etc. but yeh with his overbet, ott i dont think he's betting this river unless hes got a complete naked bluff.
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Me too. Weak lead seems best here. Not a chance I would try to cr.
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