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12-02-2015 , 04:20 PM
Hero: just sat down...this might be my 5th hand, no one knows me, it's only my 5th time at this casino. College student

Cant remember the hand that clearly but ill try my best...

MP+2 Opens 35
CO calls
Hero in SB w/ 34...1k effective stack...I wouldve folded this but I saw BB pretty much grabbing chips to make a call so I decided to call for the odds.
BB calls

Flop:
356

Hero checks
BB checks
MP checks
CO bets ~80...CO is black male, prolly in late 30s...dressed fairly proper
Hero raises to ~275
Folds to CO who calls

Turn K
Hero bets 300
CO calls

River 6
Hero checks
CO snap shoves
Hero folds

Thoughts on flop and turn play? Also during this time there was a 500$ bonus for high hand every 30 min.
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12-02-2015 , 11:22 PM
stacks?
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12-03-2015 , 02:06 AM
I got 1k and I'm the shortest
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12-03-2015 , 02:52 AM
Do you think he calls Turn with 77-qq and folds to a river shove?

If yes, then ship ship. If you think some cawl it's probably fine to give up. The 6 is also bad for a number of reasons so it's a pretty good give up card.

Preflop is probably pretty bad out of the sb even 3 way.

Also im not sure I love the river cf. Think you have a pretty good hero candidate. Not like he's jamming 88 here for thin value. You beat a ton of wiffed draws and don't block a ton of them. His value range is so narrow. Would really suck to c/c and lose to 45o though
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12-03-2015 , 04:47 PM
you only have a PSB on the turn, there's no way betting half pot with anything is good. this hand is a very clear ship IME
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12-03-2015 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mythrilfox
you only have a PSB on the turn, there's no way betting half pot with anything is good. this hand is a very clear ship IME
+1
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12-04-2015 , 12:00 AM
Fold pre. Shove turn.
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12-04-2015 , 03:01 PM
fold pre, jam turn, call river
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12-04-2015 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
Fold pre. Shove turn.
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12-04-2015 , 05:39 PM
Ship the turn; he'll fold his diamond draws that didn't hit the K on the turn (and if he doesn't, well, we have a pair and are ahead of them), and even have equity against sets. He doesn't have to fold often to make this a good shove.
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12-04-2015 , 09:18 PM
Fold pre; flop is good; shove turn.
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12-05-2015 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by AAismyfriend
fold pre, jam turn, call river
this. I am still trying to wrap my head around that turn bet
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12-05-2015 , 12:37 AM
Turn us just a ship
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12-06-2015 , 05:17 PM
grunch:
i hate folding but i think i might dump this even knowing BB was making a flat call, too many flops suck, we dont get to float a lot of flops with a hand like 34 since turning a 3 or a 4 on various boards, at least at this depth w/o some kinda knowledge that there is a whale/multiple whales at the flop - but we're w/o reads so i dont seem many reasons to grip these cards much.

I have about 140 in pot on flop - & CO bets a little over half pot & you c/r to 275 so going into turn theres 690 in there roughly and you have PSB left.

Pretty much any raise on the flop means you should be open shoving turn or ch/folding. I just dont see any reason to have this hand play with a final betting round with chips in your stack not in the middle of the pot.

So on turn jam > ch/fold > any other bet size; Im pretty ambivalent to flipping the order of the first two options as well.

There's not a lot of Kx you would c/r flop with and then not shove the turn AKdd/Kxdd so as played on river its a ch/call --> if villain realizes this its an ez jam in his position w/ ATC he gets there with since your hand really looks like just a naked diamond draw.
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12-07-2015 , 05:46 PM
Sometimes I'll get all fancy if I am ridiculously sure that villain is drawing, but I'd never do it with your exact hand since FE is a way bigger priority than targeting hand that we are never in great shape equity wise against. When you do take this kind of line though, you have to chk/snap all rivers. So yeah, like everyone else is saying, shove turn and as played, call river.
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12-07-2015 , 11:48 PM
Shove turn but as played I would call river and feel pretty good about it.
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12-09-2015 , 03:51 PM
Call pre, raise flop to 330 and jam turn. Fold equity is your friend and we want to mazimize it. If you have some kind of read that vill doesn't have a fold button then you could so something like cr to 240 and turn 240 saving the rest of your stack id you miss, but id much rather gii on turn to get a lot of 6s and better to fold.
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12-31-2015 , 09:08 AM
this thread is a great example of why NOT to play small suited connectors out of position in NLHE. Even when you hit it is tough to play and maximize the hand since you are likely drawing to nut nothing.
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12-31-2015 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TTTTTTTTWO
Hero: just sat down...this might be my 5th hand, no one knows me, it's only my 5th time at this casino. College student

Thoughts on flop and turn play? Also during this time there was a 500$ bonus for high hand every 30 min.
1. Your chances of hitting the straight flush (2 outs twice) are 8%, and you're a virtual lock to collect the jackpot if you do. At $500, the present value of your jackpot chances are $40.00. For the benefit of any reader who doesn't pay attention to jackpots and promotions, this means that the expectation cost of betting everyone out of the pot before you can complete your high hand is $40 which must be weighed against the benefits of a bet. This does affect hand strategy but don't let it rule your decisions.

2. On the river, a call would cost you $400 to win something like $1650 (not a precise figure, I lost my calculator in a game of 8-card No-Peekie in the parking lot). On the one hand, that may be a crying call; on the other, what opponent would bluff with such short pot odds?

3. Turn bet sizing was a disaster from stack ratio standpoint; see #2. As many others have noted, you should have got it all in then when you had both a made hand and 20 outs to improve.

4. Flop raise was good from an equity standpoint as you were 20 outs twice to improve (~72% approximately; unfortunately I bet my pencil and notepaper in a game of Old Maid next to the dumpster), but sizing was probably a stack ratio mistake, as it put you in the uncomfortable region where you're nearly, but not quite, pot committed if you miss on the turn. As the small stack, you should be putting OTHER people in uncomfortable stack ratio spots.
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01-03-2016 , 08:54 AM
Check raise all in

There is $140 in the pot on the flop and he bet $80
There is now $220 to steal. Just put pressure, its very unlikely anyone has a hand that can call on that board and if so we are likely a coin flip.

This is one of the few spots in poker where you can be on a near free roll. You win the $220 every time they fold (free money) and you are coin flipping vs the hands that call. There is no hand that has us drawing dead either
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01-04-2016 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TimeBomb
Call pre, raise flop to 330 and jam turn. Fold equity is your friend and we want to mazimize it. If you have some kind of read that vill doesn't have a fold button then you could so something like cr to 240 and turn 240 saving the rest of your stack id you miss, but id much rather gii on turn to get a lot of 6s and better to fold.
If V doesn't have a fold button then isn't a c/c preferable the flop?





Clear ship on the turn. As played, I really don't see how the river 6 changes that much except for a stubborn 76 that is definitely not folding OTR and might still value the river trying to squeeze value. I'm not sure a king high flush draw that gets there ott even tries a value bet otr
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01-06-2016 , 09:16 AM
I don't see how villain can have a 6 or better based on flop action. Also don't see villain jamming K-high flush draw on river.

As played I put villain on a missed nut flush draw and call river.
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01-06-2016 , 12:59 PM
Forget the high hands ... I see people chasing them all the time. If that's what you want, then don't raise this Flop. Chips now are better than 'maybe' chips later.

Raising more on the Flop will allow for an easier shove on the Turn.

Not betting the River may allow him to bet with 77-TT, but AdXd is very much in play.
I think he shoves Turn with KdXd.

Snap shovers tend to be pretty weak and you opened the door by leaving such a small amount behind ($390) a decent pot of $1290.00. I think I call a lot of the time. GL
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01-11-2016 , 12:10 PM
There is around 200 in the pot and youre a favorite against almost everything. Think I'd just shove the flop for max fold equity.
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01-12-2016 , 07:15 PM
Turn is by far the worst street to jam with a hand like this
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