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11-27-2014 , 05:13 AM
9 handed live 5/10 NL, effective stacks 2k. Villain is on button

Hero opens to 40 2 otb with K9o, co, button, sb, and bb call.

Pot: 200, Flop Jd7cTs

checks to villain who bets 160, everyone folds, hero calls 160, co folds

Pot: 520, Turn 8h, hero bets 350, villain goes all in for 1850

Villain is a loose reg fish who would shove any 9 here as well as the nuts. I think his flop betting range is T9, 89, J9, K9, Q9. He loves to bet in position when checked to with draws and middle pair so I feel like this is a good representation. So theres 9 combos of T9, 12 of 89, 9 of J9, 9 of K9, and 12 of Q9.

At what point does calling his all in become -EV? Need help from the math guys.
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11-27-2014 , 06:11 AM
When you opened in a 9 handed game with K9o.
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11-27-2014 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Highsenberg
When you opened in a 9 handed game with K9o.
It's trolls like you that have ruined this forum over the years.
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11-27-2014 , 02:01 PM
You have 41.7614% equity against that range.

Let E = 41.76%
Let X = the amount behind after betting 350

Equity of calling off is equal to equity of folding:

E * (200+320+2*(350+X)) = X

--> X = $3093

May have made a mistake in there somewhere. But you gotta be pretty damn deep to fold here assuming all of your assumptions are correct.
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11-27-2014 , 03:24 PM
Not to mention you could be freerolling him with 4 outs.
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11-27-2014 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by schwerd2
It's trolls like you that have ruined this forum over the years.
when was the last time you participated in a strat thread that wasn't yours?
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11-27-2014 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rakes
when was the last time you participated in a strat thread that wasn't yours?
Not in a long time, but that doesn't make trolling right
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11-27-2014 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
You have 41.7614% equity against that range.

Let E = 41.76%
Let X = the amount behind after betting 350

Equity of calling off is equal to equity of folding:

E * (200+320+2*(350+X)) = X

--> X = $3093

May have made a mistake in there somewhere. But you gotta be pretty damn deep to fold here assuming all of your assumptions are correct.
This is exactly what I wanted to get an idea of, we also have some outs we could win with that weren't factored in, but it may not change the numbers that much.. I thought this spot was interesting because it doesn't happen to me that often.
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11-27-2014 , 05:08 PM
Our freeroll outs have been accounted for already.

...Happy turkey day!
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11-27-2014 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
Our freeroll outs have been accounted for already.

...Happy turkey day!
Cool. You too brah.

BTW not to derail the thread, pre is a standard muck in HJ or earlier positions.
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11-27-2014 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man
Our freeroll outs have been accounted for already.

...Happy turkey day!
got it! yeah after i posted about the freeroll outs i used pokerhandcruncher app and realized that they were included in the equity %, thanks, happy turkey day
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11-27-2014 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by busticator
Cool. You too brah.

BTW not to derail the thread, pre is a standard muck in HJ or earlier positions.
Yeah, i agree its a little loose, I usually open it standard from the CO, but made a mistake, I think because it was late in my session and I was tired and bored. Not an excuse though. We all make mistakes.
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11-28-2014 , 01:18 AM
Flop seems like a trivial x/r against villain you described
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11-28-2014 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by schwerd2
It's trolls like you that have ruined this forum over the years.
Every semi decent player who looks at this hand would would not even know where to start pointing out gigantic fundamental mistakes. So its quite understandable if you get a comment like this. Some people might even think threads with awfully played hands and questions ruin the forum.

Your whole question can be answered by spending 1 minute with an equity calculator. A tool that is widely used among poker players since forever. You even found someone who used it for you. Even if you never heard about a software calculating equity (really?!) you could have easily googled it!

Your question wasnt really one of the important questions though.

My advice would be to buy a poker book or something if you are serious about improving.
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11-28-2014 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cbi
Every semi decent player who looks at this hand would would not even know where to start pointing out gigantic fundamental mistakes. So its quite understandable if you get a comment like this. Some people might even think threads with awfully played hands and questions ruin the forum.

Your whole question can be answered by spending 1 minute with an equity calculator. A tool that is widely used among poker players since forever. You even found someone who used it for you. Even if you never heard about a software calculating equity (really?!) you could have easily googled it!

Your question wasnt really one of the important questions though.

My advice would be to buy a poker book or something if you are serious about improving.
Ok, thanks! Do you recommend Super System or Phil Hellmuth: Play Poker like the Pros? I'm really looking forward to improving my game.
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11-28-2014 , 04:31 PM
Preflop is probably fine at a lot of tables...
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