I have an extremely super laggy image. V1 is weak tight. v2 is pretty loose passive. v3 is younger, relatively unknown, seems competent.

I have j8ss in bb. v1 limps, v2 raises to 30, one caller, v3 calls, I call, V1 calls. Flop is 6910chh. I bet 120. Get 3 callers. Turn is 7c. I have about 4k. V1 has about 1500. V2 has about 800. V3 has about 3k. What to do? Also, I would like thoughts about flop and pre as well if anyone thinks I should have done/thought about something differently.

I'll post what I did and ask for thoughts after I see what ppl think.

Bet about 400

Should prob bet turn big but given you made a post about it you probably x/jammed vs V1 who turned a set or lower straight with 77/88 or something.

Eh, I'll go ahead and say what I did and ask for feedback. I just shoved.

So, I thought that if I bet that turn I was getting action from draws, a dry 8, and a set. However, I had an extremely laggy image so I figured there probably wasn't much of a difference of me potting it versus just shoving. In fact, I thought shoving would be a lot better because it could get me called lighter given that I don't think I look as strong (but, to be honest, I think I look pretty strong regardless of how much I actually bet given that I donked into four people and am continuing into three callers on a pretty wet board). I also didn't think V1 or V2 would fold a flush draw even if I bet their stack instead of 400 for example.

Thoughts?

I don't think overbet shoving into 4 people will get you light calls by non-tilted players, no matter what your image is. If you think any V would be betting this turn, I love a c/r here to pick up dead money/squeeze draws out. But based on their descriptions, you might just want to lead yourself here. What makes this an interesting spot is what sizing to go for. Since V2 has about 800, I'd bet half of whatever he has to be able to raise if he decides to stick it in.

There's no way the guy with 3K is just snapping off with a FD. It's a four-way pot, nobody thinks you're putting in 5x pot or whatever light. This might be optimal if everyone is always snapping with any 8 and their calling ranges for a normal sized bet are {14-out draws, 8x}, but that sounds untrue.

On reflection, I don't think I like betting half the smallest stack, it's just too small on this texture. Depending on how closely they're keeping track of pot size, I would bet something close to pot or a little bit over pot. If they're going to look at $850 as being "close to pot" go for it.

Yeah, I never really think anyone is betting here if I check with too much, so I was definitely going to bet out. However, I'm just not sure how much. Also, I obviously don't expect the button to stack off too often here. But, I think a dry 8 is a good part of his range and I do think he would call here a decent percentage of the time with the eight.

So, I thought the shove would get calls from v1 and v2 with the same range they'd call 400ish with while getting me the most ev from the button. Everyone snap folded. Obviously, not a tough strategic spot, but a difficult bet sizing question, I thought.

Agree with this

With your image.. bet pot obviously.

O there is a huge psychological difference. ALL-IN! is way more scarier and less likely to get called.

+1

Betting the flop is bad, especially with the loose passive PFR likely to call you. You have good relative position, so check/decide.

As played on the turn I bet the largest amount such that V2 reopens the action if he shoves.

As played your turn shove is literally the 3rd worst thing you could have done besides c/f and c/c.

I agree with this.

What about bet/fold?

You forgot open folding too

damn dude, you burnt a good amount of money.

Big on the turn, small on the river.

What why

I'm bombing this turn, especially if I had your perceived image. I'd say no less than $400. I don't think shoving would be optimal in this spot. Personally, I'm probably putting in a $850-900 bet on the turn. As played though, NH.

Flop bet is pretty bad, given your image when someone else's driving the action in multiway pots you want to apply the aggression after you've made your hand not before, because they're paying you off anyway and costs you less when you don't make it.