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Old 02-07-2012, 12:58 AM   #1
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5/10 nl I spew tew!

Hand 1

Villian- Middle aged guy has been at the table maybe 2 hours and seems very spewy pre and fairly nitty post, all though he did recently double up a short stack with a flopped mid pair and gutterball and called an all in when he picked up a flushdraw. He doesn't seem like he plays that often.
Hero- Not limping much but raising a decent amount pre and c-betting 100% and has shown down 2 hands where I flopped top pair and devalued myself on the river.

Pre- Random spewmoney who has been raising a lot pre makes it 35, villian calls directly to my right, I have 910 and call, 2 others call.
Flop (175) 336r - Original raiser checks, villian bets 75 I call everyone else folds.
Turn (325) 4 putting 2 hearts out - Villian bets 175 I call.

River (675) 7o - Villian checks, I quick stuff for ~750 eff?

Hand 2

Villian- 40s and playing LAG and running pretty good. He has been raising more pre than everyone else at the table combined and cbetting 2/3-3/4 of pots but not firing many 2nd barrels. Villian was away from table for hand 1. Villian has been calling me down light all night, most notably when I 2 barrelled a hand I raised pre and he tabled aq high for the winner. I know he is capable of bluffing but haven't played with him enough to see him bluff a big pot.

Hero- Had been playing somewhat loose and very agro post, but the game has been 6 handed for a little over an hour and I have been by far the tightest player at an aggressive table.

Pre- Villian raises to 40 for the 3rd time in a row utg. I had made up my mind to not fold this hand, and call hu with 104o.

Flop (95) q42r Villian bets 65 (standard) and I call.

Turn (225) 8o - Villian checks, and I bet 115 for value, Villian raises to 400. Villian hasn't c/red when he raised pre, but showed down 1 c/r for a flopped set and the other hand I am pretty sure he had it as well but didn't show. I had check folded to his check turn raise in that hand when turn was an ace on a paired flop. Anyways I digress, I call the 285.

River (1025) 10o - Villian open stuffs for 2.5k.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:37 AM   #2
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Re: 5/10 nl I spew tew!

I've been on both sides of a hand like #1 and been looked up lighter than I expected (and have looked up villains pretty light in this spot). For some reason villains seem more likely to call in 4 to a straight spots than 4 to a flush, and I think live players bluff this spot more often as well. Should be able to fold out a 6 tho.

If villain really doesn't play that often I think this works against you. Players like this can be tough to bluff, don't always see the same scare cards as you, want to see showdowns, and feel invested in pots they play.

Hand #2 is insanity.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:37 AM   #3
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What's eff. stack in hand #2?

I don't know if I like the first hand I might call down with A high there, but if the player is weaker minded then yeah he folds all over pairs some 6s MAYBE, and any ace highs that I would call you down with ;-).

As for hand 2 its almost reversed the role except that it's a larger over bet. And c/r are usually pretty strong but you ever think about 3 popping his c/r? Trying to make a stand I'd make it a cool 1000. put the pressure back on him and if he ships its a snap fold.

As for the river as played he probably thinks AQ is the nuts. I call if I got more buyins in pocket.
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:08 AM   #4
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1, fold flop

2, fold as soon you look at your cards
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:10 AM   #5
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Re: 5/10 nl I spew tew!

momma mia

u really want advice on these hands?
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:33 AM   #6
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Pre- Random spewmoney who has been raising a lot pre makes it 35, villian calls directly to my right, I have 910 and call, 2 others call.
Flop (175) 336r - Original raiser checks, villian bets 75 I call
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:46 AM   #7
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Ok it's easy to tell him to fold pre. He got in this situation I'm sure you've all been in a hand like this, what do you do now he is asking.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:00 AM   #8
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Ok it's easy to tell him to fold pre. He got in this situation I'm sure you've all been in a hand like this, what do you do now he is asking.
Nah, discussing a hand beyond the point of must-fold seems like a disservice. Anyways, you mentioned a couple times you would call down with A high as villain in hand 1. What would you ever expect to be ahead of given hero's line and the board?
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:17 AM   #9
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Nah, discussing a hand beyond the point of must-fold seems like a disservice. Anyways, you mentioned a couple times you would call down with A high as villain in hand 1. What would you ever expect to be ahead of given hero's line and the board?
Well I'm a calling station who loves to make hero calls. The only value hands I see shoving there on river are 55, 56, 67. So it's either one of them or air. Chances are in the moment I would fold A high, but I'm pretty sure I'm calling with damn near any pair.

EDIT: Oh and 77 got there. Not much left in the value shoving range.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:34 PM   #10
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Re: 5/10 nl I spew tew!

did you win hand 1?

hand 2- call
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:07 PM   #11
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In hand 1 I prob wouldn't over bet the pot and would size it a little smaller. I think 475 and 750 accomplish the same thing. Additionally if your image is bad , which I assume as you describe multiple barrels fired and losing to A high previously, I'm probably not going to bluff too much.

Hand 2 seems like a funny hand to take a stand with. I'd def fold to the cr and there's almost no difference between 2 pair and bottom pair when he shives on the river. I guess if your calling turn you have to call river bt you're prob crushed.
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:28 PM   #12
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What's eff. stack in hand #2?

I don't know if I like the first hand I might call down with A high there, but if the player is weaker minded then yeah he folds all over pairs some 6s MAYBE, and any ace highs that I would call you down with ;-).

As for hand 2 its almost reversed the role except that it's a larger over bet. And c/r are usually pretty strong but you ever think about 3 popping his c/r? Trying to make a stand I'd make it a cool 1000. put the pressure back on him and if he ships its a snap fold.

As for the river as played he probably thinks AQ is the nuts. I call if I got more buyins in pocket.
2.5+400+65+35=3k

Although villian did hero call me a couple times they were all pretty small pots and when he checked I felt he was pretty weak and an all-in would look strongest, especially since I had been pretty tight recently. In hand 2 I felt his turn c/r meant that he would bet out all his air on the river and stronger hands he would c/c.

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momma mia

u really want advice on these hands?
Do you really like rhetorical questions?

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Nah, discussing a hand beyond the point of must-fold seems like a disservice. Anyways, you mentioned a couple times you would call down with A high as villain in hand 1. What would you ever expect to be ahead of given hero's line and the board?
10 high beats nothing, isn't that the point of bluffing?

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did you win hand 1?

hand 2- call
Villian in hand 2 didn't witness hand 1 so I think it's a moot point. I know hand 1 looks really bad, but do you always fold when you have nothing and think your opponent is weak? I was fairly certain villian would devalue himself if I hit a 9/10 turn, instead I hit a heart which I thought might also get me paid.
In hand 2 I just feel like my inner calling station usually gets the best of me and I beat a decent amount, but obviously my odds are poop and from my experience overbets usually aren't bluffs.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:11 AM   #13
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Do you really like rhetorical questions?
well it was nicer than saying, "are u kidding us with this shyt?"

Sorry Dude, I won't clog up ur thread anymore
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:31 AM   #14
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I realized I would catch some flak for these hands. The more I think about hand 1 the more I really hate myself for not 3betting pre, I am surprised no one mentioned this. As for hand 2, situations like this will happen occasionally unless you just play abc poker which is fine.
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Old 02-08-2012, 04:27 AM   #15
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I realized I would catch some flak for these hands. The more I think about hand 1 the more I really hate myself for not 3betting pre, I am surprised no one mentioned this. As for hand 2, situations like this will happen occasionally unless you just play abc poker which is fine.
Most people, if they are so card dead they cannot fold one more hand or they will go crazy, will reraise the ten quatro different color before they will preflop float with it.
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