5/10 NL - Horseshoe Hammond

What's up guys? I recently played this hand and my buddy and I disagree about how to play it, on every single street... It's a pretty tricky spot and I want you guys to help me figure out the correct decision on each street and why.

Reads: Fairly new table, pretty much everyone is an unknown. We don't have any details on any of the players but the play so far has been generally pretty passive. So we can roughly classify all villains as either tight-passive or loose-passive. Hero(~$1,250) V1($760) V2(~$1,250)

Preflop: 4 limpers, SB completes, Hero checks BB with T7

Flop: ($60) 642 SB checks, Hero bets $50 and gets called by 2 limpets.

Turn: ($210) 9 Hero bets $175, V1 and V2 both call.

River: ($735) Q Hero bets $525(putting V1 all-in)

-I like betting the flop because we can get sooo many hands to fold to a big double barrel, my buddy thinks its fine to just check and see what happens.

-We pick up a straight draw on the turn and its a really safe card, I think a pot sized or maybe even 1.5x pot would fold out everything including higher flush draws. My buddy thinks it's better to check because it's too likely we get called by a bigger flush.

-We make our flush on the river so obviously we value bet, but are there any worse hands that call? I can only really think of like 34 or 45 It's pretty likely that one of these guys has a bigger flush. My buddy thinks it might best to bet/fold small, maybe something like $250-300?

What do you guys suggest is the best play on each street and why?

I like the way played in a vacuum. CR turn can also be a fun move and create an interesting dynamic. As played I think maybe I bet river small

Can't you bet smaller on the turn, setting your own price?

River: Bet $375 and call villain 1, and then tank fold if V2 shoves?

I'm used to playing with less than competent players, but by changing your sizing on the turn, does this actually change their calling ranges?

nh

I think this hand was played well

I'd probably go 145 on turn and like 350 into 645 on river.

You're shoving into two ppl on river so I don't think you get called by worse that often imo.

If villain 2 was known to be spewy bluffy then I wouldn't even hate a check here and induce a bluff, as a lot of my range (sets / two pairs) might also be checking this river.

I too like how you played this hand

i think the only thing to take away from this hand is that your buddy is a passive nit.

Smaller on the turn, not super-sure about river, need more info on villains.

like it

I gotta say I disagree that we get a lot of folds when we overbet the turn, I think we get a lot more call/call/folds than call/folds on this texture.

I don't like multiway limped pots and putting lots of chips in center

seems perfectly fine, nh

This.

I guess I'm in the minority here. Not a huge fan of your bet line.
Here's why:
When you bet the flop, 2 limpers call. What do you think they're calling you with? In most cases, it's A7, A3 or some AX or maybe K4.
Sure you'll get some 57s, 54s, 34s and the like to call - and maybe even some KQs to call hoping to hit the turn. But I'd say 70-85% of your caller's range is straight or FD.

On the turn, a 9 doesn't improve anybody's hand. You bet again and yet they both call. Dang... what's calling here?
I'd say the FD, straight draws and a lot of PPs that haven't hit a set. Most likely TT and under. But I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone with overs still calling the turn bet with 6 outs.

So far, we've bet $225 oop into two players with "zip and pip." Some guys may call this a semi-bluff - others might categorize it as spew.

Okay - the river. Ahhhh, the glorious . The card that makes our hand.
Now we bet more than half our stack into two players who we haven't been able to budge off their hands. Don't we think at least one has a bigger flush like A5?

FWIW, if I had 34 or 54 - I would have re-raised AT LEAST before the river - most likely on the flop. So I'm pretty certain, neither has that hand.

The 2/3 pot-sized bet on the river is only going to fold out all small pps, straight draws and get called by a better flush.

Personally, I like the flop bet. On a crappy board like that, blinds are all over that. But being oop, I would have x/c the turn and b/f the river.
I hate the idea of building a monster pot oop with such a marginal hand.


BTW, I've played at this casino and you'd be hard pressed to find tourists who are there to gamboool. The two guys who are calling you are not calling you light.

cliff notes: I'm a nit.

seems fine

Anyone prefer a flop c/r?

If the river were a <10 I'd be less inclined to jam. On a 3/4/5/8/9 I'd probably check and see what happens.

And a lot of chips, most likely.

Think you played ok, although I would bet river a bit smaller. Personally I would have bet 40/140/300 Unless you think you can get bigger flushes to fold.

goblue are you the friend or is it MasterChan?

Fold pre.

results?

river seems too thin, you're not gonna have too many bluffs with your line so you should size smaller or maybe even x/f (depending on sizing/action)