5/10 @ Borgata AC, Sunday 9pm

I gave off some reverse tells/possibly frowned upon behavior during this hand and was wondering what you guys think about these tactics. I'm pretty new to the 5/10 player pool so I don't want to get a bad rep.

Hero (2300): New to the player pool. Play mostly 2/5 @ Borgata but have been branching out to start the new year. Up decent in the game playing relatively tight. Not many familiar faces in the back room since this is my 5 session ever at 5/10. Assuming the table views me as ABC/tight. Been chatting it to V1 who is from Maryland and assumes I'm a reg at 5/10.

V1 (1900): From Maryland, on a little poker trip with some friends. Playing ABC/tight. He's up a bit. Sat down maybe 2 hours ago and just about doubled up showing down some winners.

Bunch of limpers as it comes to V1 in the SB who completes, I check my option in the BB w/ A 9

Flop (60): J 8 2

V1 leads out for 50, I check my cards (trying to give of a reverse tell like, do I have a big diamond) think about it for a sec, hold my breath and sigh as I throw 50 in. Everyone else folds.

Turn (160): Q

V1 leads out again for 150.

Its pretty obvious that he has a small flush at this point based on the way he's acting/betting. I don't want to blow him off the hand cos I know he's tight and will just muck if I bomb now.

So I rub my cards on the felt a bit, recheck my presumed A and throw 150 in.

River (460): A

V1 bombs for 400.

So I say, "Wow, did you f - in flop a flush". He smiles. I say " That A is like the worst card... .. sigh ... ... I'm all in" and I peek over like I'm afraid of a call.

He calls soon after and flips his 34 and I table my A9

He slams the table and is like you're scummy as hell dude, the table joins in, wow he was gonna call no matter what you didn't have to do that blah blah. So what do you guys think? I was trying to give off reverse tells and win the max.

He shouldn't have called the river but f--- him right?

I don't think it was that scummy, but it was pretty fishy of you. Whenever anyone gives the speech, sighs, then raises, it's the nuts. That's not a reverse tell....That's a tell.

Lol at calling there with the nut worst flush. Nice table you got if they were telling the truth.

This is fine.

That river should not have been a value-bet (online).

You didn't do anything wrong, but I'm a 2/5 player and I would have seen through this in a heartbeat. The player who complains about the river and then shoves ALWAYS has it.

It sounds like a great table. Maybe I need to play more 5/10.

These are known as reverse reverse tells

Same.. lol pretty fishy for using amateur reverse tells

I would fistpump snap fold when you hem and haw the whole hand then jam over a pot river bet like "oh well I guess I'm all in".

This is 2006 level 1 table talk man. You did him a huge favor with your "reverse tells".

This post is an obvious brag about how you flopped the nuts and got paid with what you think was really good table talk when in reality you did yourself a huge disservice and got paid anyways. This isn't a scummy thing to do to, but it is -EV and laughably bad.

OP - you're talking is WAY more likely to get you a fold than a call imo. Who hems and haws at a runout and complains and then shoves? Pretty transparent imo.

I would have been much more impressed if you did this with AdJ and got him to fold 34dd.

As played, you coolered a rec player in a spot he should have folded. He's calling regardless of your talk imo.

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stop giving speeches

does anyone ever do this with bluffs if you are in a spot where people might think you are a rec? I think you can add a great amount of fold equity. But you can only do it a couple of times until people catch on. Might try it on a Reg next time I'm in a new game.

V1 and I had a little table talk dynamic so it fit in well. Obv not doing this all the time.

I knew he had a small flush and he thought he knew I had the A, if I had said nothing maybe he would have folded.

Not to rag on other players but most of these guys are half ******ed, including this dude. I think rechecking my hole cards twice was a big part in why he called the river.

What kind of reverse tells do you guys give off from time to time?

Also, most of these guys don't know me.

Why can't I be terrible and have K10 haha

If u put him on a small flush raise ott OP, u keep sets in ur range this way imo. As played any semithinking plr would somehow find a fold, especially when u tell him u know he flopped a flush


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I'm raising on the flop most of the time but I had some reads on this dude and I was 2nd to act with 4 players behind me: maybe drag a 2pair hand in or get raised and have a chance to re-raise.

Flop and Turn are fine. River is a little excessive IMO. Very surprised you get a call here after all 3 streets of acting.

I think the Turn being an over to the board allows you to raise his bet and more easily get all the chips in on the River without 'issue'. In a limped pot you have any combination of QdXx that may want to 'see where he's at' by raising 1.25X to 325 or so ... and leave plenty of room for value on the River with your stack sizes.

Nice payoff .. and probably bought you some action from the regs if a few of them are inclined to snap off newbies to their world. GL

Arnold Schwarzenegger called it Dark Arts.

Before big competitions backstage he would go around and talk to other competitors, saying things like..

"have you been sick? you look a little thin" or
"are you coming off an injury - cant do squats - your hams aren't defined"

Just to get in their head, trying to lower their confidence.

Wondering how you guys feel about doing this kind of stuff, poker-wise of course. Or what are the best reverse tells to give that generally work?

whenever my GF and I are playing she always asks me if I'm all in :\

This lol.

Lol @ being called too.

Threads like this make me consider coming out of live poker retirement for a day or two.

I was about to write a post criticizing the other members of this forum for jumping all over you so unkindly, but then I decided they were right. If your personality at the table is anything like the one you've projected so far in this thread, I think the other players would have been throwing things at you and calling you a d&ckhead in another twenty minutes with or without this particular hand of poker.

Gold Jerry,gold.

Haha, no I'm a pretty quiet person at the table. Definitely not above doing things to deceive opponents about hand strength tho. The hand itself isn't important. I was trying to get a convo going about reverse tells and befriending an acquaintance to use what you know about them - against them.

Just raise anywhere. You don´t blow tight, nitty players off two-card flushes. You don´t raise many players off two-card flushes at all.

You should have raised before the river because another diamond could have killed your action and a board pair could have killed your hand.

I imagine your acting was probably quite annoying and of course it doesn´t look good when anyone slowrolls or does a big act with the nuts. This is because it takes no balls whatsoever, and it comes off as the actor simply wallowing in knowing he is going to win the hand, and wanting to draw it out as much as possible.

In all areas of life, if a man cannot do something whilst behaving like a gentleman, then a gentleman knows he should not do it.

Acting sad and then raising isn't a reverse tell.

It's not scummy, giving off tells/reverse tells are part of the game.

What you accomplished wasn't a reverse tell. You tried to give off reverse tells the way a fish would and the guy gave you credit for being a better player than that. What you did is referred to as 'the annexation of puerto rico'.