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5/10 Live 500 BB deep - optimal flop line? 5/10 Live 500 BB deep - optimal flop line?

07-19-2016 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
what is even more bizarre is that you find the cold call bizarre. He obviously has nut diamonds or diamonds and a gutter or something.

best play here is to click it back and give V1 enough room to shove so that you can come back over the top for everything.
Right - so why would anyone advocate a call instead of a raise? Implicit in my comment was that we should raise to get all-in with V1 while ideally folding out V2, or at the very least charging him significantly more.
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07-27-2016 , 06:34 AM
I agree with Johnny, not sure what range we can come up with for both villains thats we do not have more than 33.3 percent with an OESFD, with 2 being a fish the ideal situation would be to push 3 out and play an all in smaller pot with 2. I can't see a value hand that 3 will be flatting 2's raise OTF then continuing if we 3 bet. If we shover raise we can still have all our value hands 10-j, 66,JJ and 10-10.In game i'd probably raise to $1500 but looking at it now, I like a shove.
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07-27-2016 , 08:43 PM
thanks for the replies.

results:

Hero raises to $1425. V1 calls. V2 tank folds. (v1 has ~$600-700 left behind - starting stack was closer to $2k, not 1800 as in OP).

Turn: 2s. Hero shoves.

V1 folds.

Hero wins
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07-27-2016 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tw1n_k0i
Your proposed raises sizes seem random (and bad). You should at least include the option of 1025 (or less) so that a shove by V1 reopens the action. You risk less and can determine if V1 has a set and if V2 has Axdd with more certainty.

As played, call and see turn. Your pot odds are insane and your fold equity is questionable.

Bet flop and if called bet brick turns. This is one of the few "bluff" combos you have cbetting this 5 way pot. c/c lets AJ play well against your hand and it will check around too often to c/r.

I think it's fine to have no check/continue range here. It's a 5 way pot, which is less common, and everyone has to play more honestly in very multiway pots. There's not much need for check/continue range, no one is exploiting you here.

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The raise sizes I listed were just random.

A raise to 1025 seems enticing at first for reasons you mentioned, but the biggest problem with that sizing is 0 FE. Also, I don't really need to determine if V1 has a set, I don't care...I'm getting it in vs him no matter what.

A raise to 1025 also allows V1 and V2 to both call my raise with either top pair or AdXd. Also, it makes the pot so large that I'm pretty much committed to jamming ANY turn card, when my equity is much lower than flop.
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07-28-2016 , 01:55 AM
nh wp
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