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12-27-2014 , 09:47 PM

rizasutton

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Hero s.b 1500
villian mp

Little history i know v is not afraid to gamble

Hero delt AdKs

Limps to utg+3 makes it 50
6 callers
hero raise 285

Folds to v flats

Flop Ah2h3h

Hero....

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12-27-2014 , 10:25 PM

Rackemwillies

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Check and call if he bets and reevaluate on turn. Not a terrible flop but obviously not the best.

If he checks back im leading any turn.

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12-28-2014 , 12:23 AM

armor32

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I think pre is a bit too big but meh. Checking would be absolutely awful here IMO, we are at less than 2 SPR now, I am cbet/committing about 1/2 pot.

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12-28-2014 , 02:11 AM

surf doc

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Not going to add up the pot since the OP is slightly confusing but looks like about 850 in the middle. I am putting in a bomb. If he wants to draw with 9h9-QhQ type hand or AxXh fine. 675 to go. Checking would be criminal but if I do check and he bets then I am going to play for all of it.

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12-28-2014 , 02:14 AM

y0l0Theory

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Originally Posted by armor32

I think pre is a bit too big but meh. Checking would be absolutely awful here IMO, we are at less than 2 SPR now, I am cbet/committing about 1/2 pot.

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12-28-2014 , 03:21 AM

TimeBomb

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If anything pre is too small if there really is 360 of dead money. Flop is easy commit.

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12-28-2014 , 04:06 AM

armor32

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Originally Posted by TimeBomb

If anything pre is too small if there really is 360 of dead money.

right, I misunderstood the OP, didn't get the 6 callers part.

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12-28-2014 , 05:10 AM

Superfluous Man

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I kinda get why people dislike checking; it's a bit of a tragedy if we let him realize his equity for free or make a mistake (prob a folding mistake) later on in the hand. But if we're stacking off anyway, why not try to get a bet out of his airballs, almost all of which are drawing near dead and prob not putting another dollar in other than a flop stab (presumably to get you off KK-TT no heart?)? People who "like to gamble" prob aren't checking back AQ or KhQx anyway.

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12-28-2014 , 10:41 AM

rizasutton

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Sorry for confusion...was posted at the table...

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12-28-2014 , 11:18 AM

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rizasutton

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Initial open was actually utg from what i remember now.

Ill repost to clear confusion.

Hero s.b 1500-30 y/o not a familiar face to everyone been folding alot (card dead)
v1 utg 3k -young kid dressed nice...seems decent
v2 mp 2k- no real reads besides not afraid to gamble...

Utg opens to 50 (standard open so far)
Call
call
call
v2 calls
btn calls
hero AdKs reraise to 285
folds around
v2 calls

Flop A23hhh

Hero...

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12-28-2014 , 11:28 AM

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Rackemwillies

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Originally Posted by Superfluous Man

This.

Now that I look at stack sizes I would probably check/shove if he bets and if he checks back obviously fire away at any turn.

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12-28-2014 , 11:30 AM

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MadamIamAdam

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His range should be mostly middling pairs. If he has a heart he has decent eq. I think a bet is in order.

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12-28-2014 , 12:43 PM

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rizasutton

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I def agree his range here is mostly p.p's and any continuation is obv based on his heart equity

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12-28-2014 , 03:24 PM

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AAismyfriend

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The more T9s/JTs you think is in his range the more checking becomes a viable option.

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12-28-2014 , 04:15 PM

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Aves2

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is shoving flop out of the question? (~$1200 into ~$800). we aren't folding out better, but we might get called by worse - such as TxTh, JxJh, maybe AxQh.

also, if we bet 1/2 pot on flop and a heart comes on the turn, what is our plan? We will have ~$800 left and pot will be ~$1600.

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12-29-2014 , 11:33 AM

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rizasutton

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Originally Posted by Aves2

I was particularly wondering this

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12-29-2014 , 01:37 PM

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DGAF

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400/call flop

ship non-heart turns

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12-30-2014 , 09:05 PM

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AintNoLimit

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Half pot on flop, ship turn.

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12-31-2014 , 04:17 AM

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FishInAPhoneBooth

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Originally Posted by DGAF

400/call flop

ship non-heart turns

Is it possible to do anything but check/call on a heart turn?

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12-31-2014 , 04:03 PM

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DGAF

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Originally Posted by FishInAPhoneBooth

Is it possible to do anything but check/call on a heart turn?

Yeah, check/fold.

I don't think many people are betting without a flush when the turn is a

. And they aren't folding one to a c/r either (not enough money left). We would check our entire range anyways, so it's not really exploitable. And anything we beat has sdv/doesn't HAVE to bluff.

The other 79% of the time we get to ship it in a very nice situation.

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01-02-2015 , 06:01 PM

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FishInAPhoneBooth

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Originally Posted by DGAF

Yeah, check/fold.

I don't think many people are betting without a flush when the turn is a

Thanks for confirming that. Always hate check/folding getting 3-1, but I don't see htf we are ever good...

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01-02-2015 , 06:28 PM

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ravager 102

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idk how bad this guy is, but he shouldn't have many hands that aren't suited here. therefore checking really isn't awful if he's the type to barrel off with 0 equity, since he has really few hands with one heart.

I would just b/pile brick turns c/f heart turns as a default line though

also, if we check some villains will snap put us on JJ-KK and try and two barrel us off our full percieved range

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01-02-2015 , 09:08 PM

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Rackemwillies

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I agree. Most people will definitely have you on QQ or KK there. I would say villain will show up with a flopped flush around 5% or less of the time. Would you not rather shove flop if he bets?

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01-02-2015 , 11:16 PM

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rizasutton

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I mean hes def not "barreling" two streets here.

If we face an opponent who you know will gamble...do we find merit in getting it in on the flop with an open shove? I mean what ever equity hes carrying hes prob calling here.

I guess i should mention a hand him and i played awhile ago... ot sure of exact logistics of it...but pretty sure i 3betted on the btn with ajss he was my only caller i flopped a flush draw and 2 overs he donk bet flop, i raised he flatted. Turn was an ace i shoved with starting stacks of like 100bbs..he called. I missed but was good...not sure what he had but concluded he had a fd.

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01-02-2015 , 11:21 PM

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Rackemwillies

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Right. So he are pretty confident he won't barrel the turn. So if we just flat call we pretty much have to open shove the turn (since we are pretty confident he will check it back) as long as it's not a heart. So in essence aren't we just giving him a free turn card at that point?

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