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Old 08-04-2012, 02:25 AM   #1
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5/10 with KQs facing 3 bet preflop

I'm utg +2 and open KQdd to 30. Mp2 3 bets to 110 (might've been 80 I forget) I've seen him 3 bet once, effective stacks are 1500.

I call, flop is qq6 rainbow. Only him and I in the pot. I check, he bets 125, I raise 300, he goes 600.

What now? All I know is that he seemed tag, we've been seated for an hour.
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:36 AM   #2
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Re: 5/10 with KQs facing 3 bet preflop

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Old 08-04-2012, 02:41 AM   #3
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Re: 5/10 with KQs facing 3 bet preflop

rly weird that he would 3bet any of his range on this flop, and i'd much rather see you lead flop than c/r because now you have to call (which should be an lol red flag for villain) or click it back (which is somehow even more lol, assuming you don't have proper image to do so)
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:58 AM   #4
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Re: 5/10 with KQs facing 3 bet preflop

I call and lead for 20 on the turn. Oh and this is not a level. People who've played with me live know this very well.
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Old 08-04-2012, 07:35 AM   #5
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Re: 5/10 with KQs facing 3 bet preflop

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I call, flop is qq6 rainbow. Only him and I in the pot. I check, he bets 125, I raise 300, he goes 600.

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tank-check-call the rest of the way and hope he fires off the rest of his stack.

A raise here will confirm you have a queen and let him fold anything worse.

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I call and lead for 20 on the turn. Oh and this is not a level. People who've played with me live know this very well.
I've seen this kind of weird bet before. Normally I treat it exactly the same as a check. Can you explain your purpose in doing that?
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:10 AM   #6
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rly weird that he would 3bet any of his range on this flop, and i'd much rather see you lead flop than c/r because now you have to call (which should be an lol red flag for villain) or click it back (which is somehow even more lol, assuming you don't have proper image to do so)
That was my thinking which is why I raised. I'm pretty sure he knows I'm capable of raising light and playing with all streets in mind and concluded he'd assume I'm bluffing.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:13 AM   #7
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tank-check-call the rest of the way and hope he fires off the rest of his stack.

A raise here will confirm you have a queen and let him fold anything worse.


I've seen this kind of weird bet before. Normally I treat it exactly the same as a check. Can you explain your purpose in doing that?
That's why I posted because I ended up shoving. So check call is what you recommend?
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Old 08-04-2012, 11:57 AM   #8
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:19 PM   #9
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Seriously, people grossly overestimate how big of a leak flatting here is except against the spazziest of opponents. The 3bet/4bet game is almost nonexistent even at 5/10 except against a select few regs in regards to your EP opens getting 3bet, I'd probably even fold AQs depending on villain.
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Old 08-04-2012, 03:18 PM   #10
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Seriously, people grossly overestimate how big of a leak flatting here is except against the spazziest of opponents. The 3bet/4bet game is almost nonexistent even at 5/10 except against a select few regs in regards to your EP opens getting 3bet, I'd probably even fold AQs depending on villain.
+1, however after flopping trips I would try not to bet him off an overpair, so c/c and maybe donk river. I can't imagine a good player getting it in on this flop without aq+.
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:00 PM   #11
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That's why I posted because I ended up shoving. So check call is what you recommend?
Your main hope for value here is he has a nice pair or AK and thinks you're weak enough for him to keep putting money in the pot.

Without history, a shove is the equivalent of flashing your Q.

I don't see how you can find a fold here with basically the 2nd nuts, you just have to dodge AQ.
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Re: 5/10 with KQs facing 3 bet preflop

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Old 08-04-2012, 05:28 PM   #13
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Re: 5/10 with KQs facing 3 bet preflop

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Seriously, people grossly overestimate how big of a leak flatting here is except against the spazziest of opponents. The 3bet/4bet game is almost nonexistent even at 5/10 except against a select few regs in regards to your EP opens getting 3bet, I'd probably even fold AQs depending on villain.
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+1, however after flopping trips I would try not to bet him off an overpair, so c/c and maybe donk river. I can't imagine a good player getting it in on this flop without aq+.
i've played with a bunch of players against who its like never ever a fold pre. also, ime, 30 is a smallish open in 5/10... I've always opened for 40.

As played, this really feels like Yeti theorem spot (where 3bets on dry board are usually bluffs). You only lose to AQ/Q6/66 so folding is out of the question... I guess I agree with the guy who said to call and donk small on the turn.
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Old 08-04-2012, 06:42 PM   #14
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I shoved, he called with aq. Turn blank, river king. He was fairly active with 3 bets and had done it to me twice before.
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Old 08-04-2012, 06:51 PM   #15
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Re: 5/10 with KQs facing 3 bet preflop

not sure who played the flop worse
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