I have never seen or played with villain before but he's sporting a hat with the logo of the casino at which we're playing so maybe he's a semi-regular there. He's about 50 years old, white, a little unkempt, and a little overweight. This session we've played a couple small pots, one where I raised his multiway cbet on a QQ3 two tone and bet the turn IP and he folded. Later he c/r my multiway cbet on QQ6r and I folded. No showdowns or reads though.

5/10 NL

Effective stacks 3100

Villain limps utg, two more limp from EP, hero raises to 65 the lojack with J9, SB calls, villain calls, both other limpers call

Flop (335): T76

4 checks, hero bets 215, fold, villain calls, fold, fold

Turn (765): 5

villain checks, hero bets 475, villain thinks for about 30 seconds and raises to 1375. He has a strained look on his face but I'm not sure if it was intentional. He has ~1450 behind after raising and I cover.

Folding seems fine.

Do you have any idea how he might play hands like AQs, KQs, AKs pre-flop from EP? Other than AK and KQ there really can't be any other Kings in his range. And if he's raising big Aces, you're really only worried about Ace-rag suited. It's marginal either way, I mean, yeah, he'll have the nuts and KQs sometimes for sure, but won't he show up a bunch with small suited connectors and semi connectors too, not to mention AdX and some bluffs also?

I'm not loving it, but am probably calling here.

Only lower flush you beat is 34dd, assuming he would even play that utg. Shouldn't be playing 24, 23. Losing to a lot of Axdd, and KQdd. Just don't see many live players c/r this turn as a semi-bluff, or for value w a set. Feels like a fold.

why not call the turn and fold the river if he shoves? this guy as described is def bad enough to overplay a smaller flush now but if you call and he shoves riv your def beat.

Say "pocket 8s no good?" and muck without too much thought.

I was in the exact same scenario except not as deep awhile ago. Guy had a super obv worried look on his face too. Turned out to be a hollywood and he had the nut flush. If you think villain is making it too obvious then fold, if not then flip a coin IMO.

A set would be a better hand to do that with. J high flush has no ability to improve.

Pretty key he limp-called UTG assuming he hasn't super limp-happy with all things suited, way more Adxd type hands relative to his smaller diamond gappers.

this.

calling without reads seems fine. we are playing j9s for a specific reason, and when we finally hit our hand we are thinking about folding? In live poker limp calling utg has a wider range, not just limited to premium holdings like ak, aq, kq sooted.

I would check this behind on the turn no not results oriented but to induce bluffs from hands that cant call the turn bet. i mean you bet into 4 people and then bet again on the turn you look insanely strong

This. U could easily have a higher flush than him but he could easily have a higher flush than u as well.check turn for pot control and to keep in bluffs and underrep ur hand. Then bet big on river when checked to or just call his bet. Hen adjust according to what he shows down. Then again maybe I'm being too nitty. I hate folding to check raise on turn but I also hate shoving or even calling. U can look for much better spots. CHECK TURN

Isn't villain raising 68dd/64dd/34dd to charge our sets/AdXo's?
Assuming he only has flushes, we beat those 3 hands, lose to: A8dd,A6dd,A4dd,A3dd,A2dd,KQdd, 6 hands. It gets worse if we think he'd limp AKdd/AQdd/AJdd too. If not, we're good 33% of the time, calling 900 into 2600. If we're confident he'll play pretty straightforward and make more mistakes than us on the river, we can call turn.

There are a few good things that can happen on rivers:
If the river pairs, he checks, we can showdown cheap or go crazy and turn it into a bluff (probably a bad idea).
8d we stack his nut flushes.
4th diamond we fold to his shove no problem, showdown cheap when he checks his small flushes.
For all other blank rivers, we can still fold to his shove(unless we think he shoves the lower flushes for value or has enough total bluffs). If he checks, it looks like we can shove for value and he makes a crying call with the low flushes.

If this is still a fold on the turn, what about QJdd? KQdd? They're only slightly better but who folds the 2nd nuts here?

Against a lot of people this would be a pretty easy fold, but vs a unknown , It's just a little tougher folding because Live players are just so dumb sometimes and play hands in the dumbest ways that make no sense. So sometimes you will be surprised in what you see villian show up with , that's what makes me skeptical about folding.

I probably end up folding the turn, But am still a little skeptical.