Villain 1= Super loose playing very wide range pre and defending 3bets super light. Has called my squeeze previously with as wide as 95ss. He sees me as a young agro villain and I have a feeling he is after me (hence why I widen my squeeze range in this spot, for value).

Villain 2= Spanish player who just arrived at the table. Recognizes me as a "pro" and asked if table was good discretly to me just before he sat down. Respects my game etc. I dont think he will go too crazy vs me, but some of this spaniards know how to put pressure when they sense weakness. I haven't played too much with this one in particular but they are a group of 4-5 friends who all play the similar tag/lag style.

V1 and V2 are $3,000 eff with Hero, BB is a whale with $1k (he will call $130 with all hands he would call $30 with).

OTTH

V1 $30 HJ, V2 call BTN, Hero SB $130 AT, BB whale ($1,000) flat, V1 flat, and V2 flat.

Hero squeeze range in this spot: TT+, ATs+, A2-A5s, ATo+, KQs+, KTo-KQo. To some frequency (T9ss, 89ss, 97ss) ~10% squeeze. (Very little to no 4betting going on)

Flop ($520): T55
Hero $200, only BTN flat.

Hero range: TT+, ATs, A5s, ATo, KQs (2), KTo, QJ(1), T9ss (1combo)
BTN range: QJss, KJss, KQss, 99, 88, ATo, A5ss, 57ss ,65ss, 54ss


Turn ($920): 9
Hero check, BTN $370

Here I think it is a good idea to check entire range on this turn. Villains flop call relatively strong and small part of my range can go for three streets. Also he has a fair few amount of 5x combos more then us.

Hero range: TT+, ATs, A5s, ATo, KQs (1), KTo, QJ(1), T9ss (1combo)
BTN Range: QJss, KJss, KQss, 99, ATo (1/2 checks back a lot), A5ss, 57ss ,65ss, 54ss


River ($1660): 7
Hero check, BTN $740, Hero?

We need 31% to breakeven.

VS BTN Range: QJ, KJ, KQ, 99, A5ss, 57ss, 65ss, 54ss we are 25% underdog. If we add a few combos of QJs, KJs, KQs this becomes a call. The guy has just sat down 5 minutes ago, thoughts on river decision?

Any merits to jamming and rep TT?

id bet flop smaller as this will be a very hi frequency cbet spot here
turn is an easy bet
river you can mix it up between bet/and x - id mostly be calling for half pot otr, he will show you better somewhat often. you could make an explo fold if you think villain wont be able to find a bluffing range here
im surprised you would even consider turning this hand into a bluff tho if u are playing these stakes on the reg...recommend doing some work away from the table about constructing ranges in spots like this

lol, and me posting ranges on every street isnt doing exactly that? I was just speaking hypothetically and wanted to here what people had to say about c/r jam river as I am playing TT this exact way aswell. Either way, you say turn is an easy bet but you dont say why. I think betting ATo (no spade) is far better then betting AT for obvious reasons. I think our hand plays much better as a c/c on the turn vs this specific villain who could have a couple of floats that fold to a 2nd barrel but that might barrel if checked too. On the river its interesting as I am not sure he would chose this sizing with his bluffs.

didnt mean it as a troll (ok maybe a little), but meant more specifically with regard to building river bluffing/calling ranges, and which parts of your range should be used for bluffing, calling and folding. ur statement about using a hand like this to bluff with "Any merits to jamming and rep TT?" confused me tho.
your ranges on flop seem close enough though maybe a bit narrow for ip continuing range otf.
i dont think turn is that big of a deal, theres definitely nothing wrong with betting a hand like this for value tho.
i wouldnt mind betting small otr, but this line seems fine 2.
do agree that he could have a hard time betting this size as a bluff otr. but i guess most of your overpairs want to go for bet/bet/jam so you basically have one of the best hands in your range so it looks ugly/overly exploitable to look to start folding a hand like this
this hand also plays just fine as a bet/bet/jam and you can get stationed by worse plenty often enough to make this type of line +Ev at 100bb, and actually think that its probably the best/highest ev line tbh

Agasint this range, QJ, KJ, KQ, 99, A5ss, 57ss, 65ss, 54ss

Do you really think any better hands will fold to your river jam?

I see none of them.

I think it is a call, I can see him float with backdoor straight draws and backdoor flush draws hands.

You can confidently add all combos QJs, KJs, KQs into his range.

well also because you have all of these kinda hands in your range it makes it a pretty attractive spot to start bet bet shoving w a hand like this, there are def some hands that he can find a call with.
most of this is speculation tho i think running a couple sims would be pretty valuable here

I go larger pre. You don't get as much value as you think with this squeeze because it's so likely that the BU, a good player, will come along. I think making it 150-170 makes it a lot more likely that you get it heads-up vs the HJ. It also just makes sense, in general, to go larger with 300bb stacks.

I'm not a fan of your assessment of BU's flop calling range. I think 77-66 are far more likely to call than QsJs and similar. Most players aren't thinking on that level. A much more realistic range for him is 55 TT A5s 75s 65s 54s JJ ATs-T8s 99-66 with 100% frequency, and 85s 53s QQ ATo T7s AK AQ AJ and backdoor floats with some mixed frequency.

I think on the turn you can find a lot of bets with your range. You probably aren't range-disadvantaged here. You squeeze some 5's, and you can have QQ+ while he can't. He has a slight advantage in your top 10% regions but you have the advantage overall. A small bet with most of your overpairs makes a lot of sense. I think checking is fine with this hand, though.

On the river you seem very beat, and I'm not sure you can find many profitable bluffs with your range. I think you get snapped by 99 kind of often. It's hard to find check raise bluff spots because usually live regs are so passive that they just aren't value betting thinly enough* for a bluff to get through. He's betting QQ minimum here, mayybe JJ, both of which are hands you didn't put in his range, and the only hands you realistically make fold here. You probably need him to fold trips the majority of the time for this bluff to work.

*For this same reason it's hard to find river check raise value spots in live hold'em.

Also, a minor point, but holding two spades makes this one of your worst check raising AND bluff catching hands.

Check your pot odds. Now it's REALLY tough.

Prolly still fold tho unless he's rly bad.

Renton can you share with us things to consider when 3betting bigger when deep? (Do you have rules of thumb for sizing) I get the concept high level but I always feel strange 1 million x'ing a standard 3x open oop.

u 3b bigger deep to reduce spr/ pot odds and reduce positional disadvantage pretty simple

I like your breakdown, however i strongly believe he woulf 3bet JJ+ a very high % of the time vs the hj which is a weaker player. He will also 3bet TT a % of the time imo. Does that change anything in regards to the river ?

I get that, honestly that is exactly what I meant when I said i got high level (being sincere here not defensive)

What's weird to me is with such drastic increases in sizing you are risking alot to win a little, so are there adjustments you need to be making range-wise? (Most villains are just going to think you're nuts and just made a $30 wager into a $170 wager.)

the more polarized your range generally the larger your bet. but ppl are degenerate gamblers mostly in live poker so they will call anyway.

at which level are you guys?

I am a donk but live poker is crazy sometimes would you be a level that
"he puts you on A or KQ high, and he knows that you know that he put you on A or KQ high and would try to level you to call with A high while he polarizes TP type hand eg JT/QT/KT? "

or hoping that you to call with a 9 here (eg knowing that u can 3bet 89s cbet flop and finds 9 OTT?)


All in all, i feel his line is polarized but for me , instead of Air or Trips/FH, do u want to include some polarized TP here?

think you misunderstand the concept of polarization here

btns continuing range closing the action PF getting more than 4:1 seems wider to me...

flop size is nice

like the turn check with intent to call a bet

bart fold the river

No rules of thumb for sizing but essentially it's gonna be increasing the size as the stack goes up, but tapering off. Like, I might raise to 210 in OP's hand with infinite stacks, 175 with these stacks, 140 with 100bb stacks, if that makes sense.

The problem with this logic is that as stacks increase, and as the game equilibrates (your opponents become less bad), the bluffing component of OOP squeezing (and 3-betting in general) diminishes entirely. It becomes just linear 3-betting, essentially. So then there becomes a correct size to get max value, and it's usually larger than pot.

the basic polarized concept is nuts or bluff.


I might used the wrong word but what I meant is Big Bet River with TP type hands to try to obtain a Hero call .

That's only true if TP type hands are the effective nuts. If the opponent knew hero would always bet with all hands greater than a ten, then he could play AT like it's the nuts.

What do you mean by this? Are you saying that as stack sizes increase we should only be 3betting linear in the sense that we should only be 3betting JJ+ or whatever range you qualify that as (I don't think that's what you're saying). Or, are you saying that as stack sizes increase, 3betting hands that would have been garbage at 100bb stacks are now valuable enough to be considered part of a linear value 3betting range?

More the first part, but obviously there are other value hands than JJ+. As players get better and stacks increase, the immediate fold equity component of 3-betting EV diminishes. The bluff aspect becomes more of a multistreet consideration. You 3-bet with hands like T9s to balance the fact that you'll have a big range advantage on boards like A72r and a range disadvantage on Ts9s2d. But in terms of your range, you're pushing an equity/playability advantage overall, likely 3-betting a lower total frequency than you would at 125bb or something.