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04-17-2014 , 03:40 PM

ebet33

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Stacks 1300 eff
Villain: we have a prty good amount of history. I've seen him run big bluffs, call down in odd spots overall view him as competent, but w some spazzy tendencies. He's playing well today and is up 3bis. He got one from me when he flopped 2p on k74dd and cr my ak and I didn't fold
He opens very very wide and rarely folds to 3bs and rly doesn't have a fold button period
Hand;
He opens 30 from mp
I 3b 90 otb w
K spade 9 spade (think it's fine/good)
Insta flat
Flop
987cc
He checks I check behind (meh?)
Turn kc
He checks I bet 115
Villain cr 400
Wug?

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04-17-2014 , 03:49 PM

ebet33

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Guess for value he has worse 2p. 777 888
Both straights possible as well as flushes
He can also do this w draws etc

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04-17-2014 , 04:18 PM

The Muffin Man

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Call.

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04-17-2014 , 04:24 PM

cook-

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I expect him to lead the turn with his decent hands, being that you can easily check back on such a drawy board. I'm with TMM, call.

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04-17-2014 , 04:46 PM

ebet33

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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man

Call.

River seems like it would be hard to play no?

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04-17-2014 , 04:47 PM

ebet33

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Originally Posted by cook-

I expect him to lead the turn with his decent hands, being that you can easily check back on such a drawy board. I'm with TMM, call.

Check back turn u mean? Can u elaborate?

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04-17-2014 , 04:58 PM

The Muffin Man

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Originally Posted by ebet33

River seems like it would be hard to play no?

Yeah for sure. Against a lot of people it would be an easy muck, but against someone who might play AxX or QThh like this, I think we are a little to high up in our range to fold. I like call and play poker on the river.

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04-17-2014 , 05:14 PM

gangip

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bet flop
call turn

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04-17-2014 , 05:44 PM

cook-

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Originally Posted by ebet33

Check back turn u mean? Can u elaborate?

Yeah I like checking back turn because a good V is rarely, if ever, going to c/c on that when that card hits. Most likely outcomes:

1) He folds.
2) He c/r. You end up putting yourself in the tough spot otr when he bets say, 3/4 pot.

I think once you decided to check the flop and the flush comes ott, you're better off checking and going for some value otr.

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04-17-2014 , 05:47 PM

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TimeBomb

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I think your options are gii against a wide range and top of yours or flat turn and snap any river and hope it doesn't suck horribly. Pretty marginal spot I'd prefer flat pre but I guess its mostly personal preference.

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04-17-2014 , 08:11 PM

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NeverScaredB

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Everything looks good, call now, anything else is bad.

This is extremely wide and we're still behind:

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

6,248 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 9

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
QT,JT,77,88,99,Kx7x,Kx8x,Kx9x,Ac,cc,9t,67	56.80%	3,505	88
Ks9s	43.20%	2,655	88

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04-18-2014 , 10:20 AM

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Playbig2000

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I would still cbet, he doesn't have a fold button but we do have top pair and an overcared on a board we don't wana give free cards to in a HU 3bet pot.

as played I am snap calling him. He is leading out on the turn if he has anything of value, most likely. Clubs are a small part of a wide range. If a club comes otr we have position on him and we can take it from there. He would prob do this with Ac anyway.

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04-18-2014 , 11:50 AM

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zachvac

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To people saying he'd lead all his strong hands, why? I personally think if he has a brain he's playing pretty much all his flushes this way, and probably sets too. Turn's still a call though.

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04-18-2014 , 12:25 PM

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The Muffin Man

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Originally Posted by zachvac

To people saying he'd lead all his strong hands, why? I personally think if he has a brain he's playing pretty much all his flushes this way, and probably sets too. Turn's still a call though.

Agreed.

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04-18-2014 , 12:48 PM

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jimbo1420069

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why not bet flop?

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04-18-2014 , 01:41 PM

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DGAF

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Never folding.

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