V1 is a mega whale, he is winning atm has about 3300,love to limp call,call light and sometimes raise huge with tp, p+fd (some what small sample)

Hero is playing some what aggressive is losing 700 atm,has 2400 on table and is known in the room As a winner and pretty agressive. Perceived as more bluff heavy then I really am .

Straddle for 20,V1 limps,hero limps 5s5h, another limp and loose bad lag makes it 100 3k deep, V1 calls I call and a other fish calls.

Flop 400 ish - 10s5d2s
Checks to raiser he bets 300, whale calls 300 hero makes it 900, raiser folds and V1 tanks for 35 secs and calls.

Turn -a spades. I have about 1400 left he checks.

Thoughts on my options here, I deff think I cam get called by worse still so I decided to shove 1400. Curious if this should be a check back and reevaluate river?
Thanks for advice.

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If you shove on the turn, you just gave V1 enough implied odds to call with the flushdraw on the flop. You need to raise more on the flop. However, since your SPR is 2.3 before calling, I might actually shove on the flop - making the call $2000 to win $3300.

As played you're in a tough spot. b/f is horrible because of SPR on turn. Any reasonable thin value bet almost gives you odds to call a shove to fill up and gives V1 odds to call with a single spade. Any more than a thin bet and you might as well shove, but as mentioned above, then you justify V1's call on the flop with a flush. If you don't bet, the flush can fill up on the river and you're in a bad spot. So, I think the best answer is what you propose - and you have to hope that V1 didn't think he had the implied odds to call with the flush draw on the flop, but had something like AA KK with the spade.

your decision on turn would have been a lot easier if you sized your flop re-raise right.

as played i think he's gonna bluff this card a ton and i just don't really ever see him checking back w/ any hand that called your flop c/raise with now on turn. so i like checking turn and obv calling his bet/shove.

Jam flop.

I wanted to leave myself enough on the turn to make a reasonable bet. What do you recommend for sizing? And how do you come to the conclusion as well

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this pot is 5 way going to flop there really is no reason to size your flop ck/raise so you can leave yourself enough to make a "reasonable bet" on turn. w/ given stack sizes this is just a standard c/raise flop and shove turn. i would prob raise flop to 1200 and you can be sure that villain is calling the rest of his chips on turn regardless of what comes out.

w/ 1400 left now if you shove you give him a chance to get away from the hand if he's drawing dead whereas for 1100 more into a huge pot had you raised more he always commits.

More on the flop, ship turn

As played, still shipping turn

Unless pfr is gonna cbet almost every time, I like leading this flop. Also, your stack is perfect for 3b flop and it's pretty awkward for c/r.

Agreed, lead is better in a 5 way pot unless you're sure villain always bets. Flop raise sizing is too little like everybody else said. Annoying spot as played, as villain has lots of fl draws in his range and will likely check all of them to you.

If we check back the turn we just let villain realize equity with KsT, QsT, etc and aren't even likely to get another bet. So I suppose we must bet the turn and our only option appears to be to jam.

Yeah, the pfr has a very high c bet frequency especially in bloated pots. Very will barrel a lot as well. Hu I think I take c/c line.

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results?

He had a10 and called and I won.

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Must be nice...

Do you guys really want to lead when we have can check and let the whale call before we field trap CR? When this pfr is cbetting a lot and betting this large into a bloated pot, we get 60bb in there on the flop alone from the bet and call in front of us. We have amazing relative position and I am going to use it. There are obviously a bunch of other concerns but it is going to be hard to make up this kind of value with a lead.

Pretty easy jam here with ~ a half psb eff stack vs a winning mega whale who loves to call light.

Your flop raise is fine. Yes, we are making a small mistake if we are committed on every turn by giving whale correct implied odds to hit a flush. But we are also allowing him to make a huge mistake with his one pair type hands, whereas a bigger raise may fold them.

I believe small mistake from us (vs flush draw) + huge mistake from him (one pair hands) will lead to greater profits than us raising larger so that we do not make a mistake, but allow him to make less mistakes also.

The turn, how is there any doubt? You have $1400 left in a $2800 pot, and while villian will have a flush here plenty of times, he's also going to have plenty worse. Checking back seems awful by giving him a free river if he has a lone spade at this point, and we have plenty of equity in the absolute worst case scenarios.

Another thing is hero mentioned villian tanked for 35 seconds. Against a whale, I would discount a flush draw slightly here. I feel the flush draw is more of an automatic call for such a player, while hands like one pair he may have to think about.

like this

fwiw I think hand is well played given reads

+1, good post

Tyvm for all the good feed back everyone.

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