Originally Posted by masaraksh
dude, calling is the worst and probably nets you the very little information as well..... if you wanna be a nit and "lower variance" then just fold (but at that point you might as well just find a smaller game)
3betting and getting it in for 100 bigs here will not only probably be +EV it will give you the most information (assuming he doesn't just show up with KK+ here, in which case you don't really learn to much about his play since you ran into the top of his range). If you don't run into KK+ then you learn about how he reacts to 3bets pre and post flop with his weaker holdings, how light he is willing to stack off, we learn at what point a bet becomes meaningful to him, etc.
3b/call (obv) to 310 and pot all flop is optimal imo. this all assumes that BTN folds pre (if he flats be more likely to play more 'straight up')
btw, given the player type, these guys show up with 88-JJ here a bunch. these guys generally suck post-flop with these hands and its already obvious they suck pre (limping all positions and all that)
When I said I was hoping to get information, I was referring specifically to his 10x cutoff opening range. I think we are more likely to get to showdown (and to do so cheaper) if we just call. I would want to see him do this with hands we dominate before I was confident in 3bet/calling. If his range is medium to strong pairs and maybe a few AK or AQs, it doesn't seem like 3betting and then calling shoves or potting all flops shows a very good profit.
I agree there is a lot to be learned from 3betting as well, but I'm just not convinced there is much of a profit there until I see someone doing this with a hand we dominate. There might be some profit there, but it seems pretty marginal.