This is prolly a standard spot, but just never really had to deal w/ this too much in the past

V1 (CO): Old man, limp happy, fairly passive
V2 (Button): 30ish man, plays LAG and seems to be one of the best players at the table
V3 (EP): loose fish

EP, ~$1,000
CO, ~$1,000
Button, ~$3,500
Hero, ~$2,000

Hero is dealt AK in the BB

EP limps, CO raises to $100, button calls $100, hero?

i know it sounds super nitty but i just folded, V2 was the only player at the table i was avoiding since he is one of the few good LAG players ive encountered, and didnt want to get myself into a big pot post flop OOP vs him. Also I felt like I didnt realy have much fold equity to the old man opening to 10bb.

Just wondering what is other ppl's standard line in this spot? What yout range for calling and range for 3betting?

You have the advantage of being first to act after the flop. Theres no real disadvantage after the flop, you know right where your at. Your priced into so many different hands. Seriously, you folded?

Would you even consider folding this if it was 10 bb in a 1/2 game?

Sounds like a good action game to me. CALL!!!

I probably make it 310ish so if he calls i can just pot any flop.

I think there's nothing wrong with a fold here. If you expect V2 not to make a mistake you're right to avoid him.

A raise preflop might get rid of V2 but then V1s stack size is too small to make that move worthwhile. His bet indicates a pair, and you're possibly dominated.

a pair of Jacks...hm... let's raise it 10 times the bb to win the sb and bb

probably shoving

and after he tanks for 5 minutes and finally calls with JJ you can remember why you don't play live (if you lose the flip like I would)

Im probably shoving, you may have a little bit of FE

EDIT : One guy flatted, hmmm im probably 3bet calling

This

I think you have some FE + all the dead money in there., You can make it 350ish , Folding cant be too bad tho.

call, if u shove they fold AJ, AQ

if i raise i make it 430

I'd usually 3bet here just so that I can get the full equity of AK vs a pair by getting the whole board when I get it in against QQ/JJ, but a.) old guys will often annoyingly flat a third or half their stack with those hands, and b.) button will probably peel with the odds he's getting.

Flat I guess, obviously not fold if it comes Axx/QJT or at least two diamonds, puke if it comes Kxx and old guy bets big, and check fold basically any other board.

^ yes. obviously not fold on QJT


like i said before, i don't like flatting. even though old guys are tight they will have lots of PPs 88-JJ in this spot, and easily also have AK/AQ. For 100 bigs in such a juicy squeeze spot I'm making it 310 and potting all flops. Force him to a decision.

If it feels breakeven between folding, calling, and 3betting, I lean towards the lower variance play that could gain me some additional information, which means call.

dude, calling is the worst and probably nets you the very little information as well..... if you wanna be a nit and "lower variance" then just fold (but at that point you might as well just find a smaller game)

3betting and getting it in for 100 bigs here will not only probably be +EV it will give you the most information (assuming he doesn't just show up with KK+ here, in which case you don't really learn to much about his play since you ran into the top of his range). If you don't run into KK+ then you learn about how he reacts to 3bets pre and post flop with his weaker holdings, how light he is willing to stack off, we learn at what point a bet becomes meaningful to him, etc.


3b/call (obv) to 310 and pot all flop is optimal imo. this all assumes that BTN folds pre (if he flats be more likely to play more 'straight up')

btw, given the player type, these guys show up with 88-JJ here a bunch. these guys generally suck post-flop with these hands and its already obvious they suck pre (limping all positions and all that)