7 handed $5/10 home game, running about 5 hours with these players.

Hero (SB): The most active check-raiser/3-bettor at the table. Has shown a few strong hands, but more often has folded or lost at showdown if raised/called. Spewed from $3000 -> $1000 that way, but started making some disciplined folds & recently have won a lot back by getting value on monster flops.

BB: standard but loves to slowplay postflop.

Villain: Well built asian, about 30yo. Is up $1k on his $2k buyin. Never seen him get out of line, and plays rather passive. In particular, he won $1300 pot vs. hero when his overpair turned the 2nd-nut straight: he called the check-raise on the turn, but checked in position on the river.

MP: plays a wide range preflop and makes lots of probe bets.

Preflop:

V1 ($2950): raise $35
MP ($2000): call
SB ($2550): K9 - call
BB ($2000): call

Flop ($140): KQ3

SB, BB: Check
V1: Bet $75
MP: fold
SB: Call $75
BB: fold

Turn ($290): KQ3 8

SB: Check
V1: Bet $300
SB: Raise to $700
V1: Thinks for about 20 seconds, cuts his chips, seems unsure, but calls $400

River ($1690): KQ3 8 K

SB: Check
V1: Thinks for about 10 seconds and then carefully cuts out a $1300 bet.

Pot is now $2990, hero has about $1750, and V1 has about $800 behind.

Fold, call, or raise?

hmm

fold pre, flop is whatever, turn is atrocious, and river is a fold.

what action would you take on the turn, and why? thanks!

Fold pre (you might call with K9s) but K9o is a terrible hand
Fold flop it's a multiway so TP no kicker not good (but that's the less horrible street you have played)
Fold turn : call is awfully bad, raise is suicidal (but maybe better because when you check call you basically have lost the hand) but you can make some hands like AK or AA fold bc you're repping strong
River is a bad bluffing card, can't expect him to fold a better king now, just check/fold and hope he had aces or a hand like JTdd (also eventually ATdd or AJdd) these are the only hands you beat
The rest of his range beats you (AK or better obviously)


EDIT : you know you have missplayed the hand when someone tells you "hope he has aces" to win the hand, when you couldn't even beat that on the turn (ok when we raises turn it's not a value bet obviously but still, the hand is misplayed from the call pre) and finally you might have sucked out river

Yeah turn is maybe worse than calling bc you say he is passive so you can't even be sure AK/AA are in his betting range turn (so double barrelling obv) on a multiway pot, and maybe at this point his range is only KQ/sets

fold>>>>>call>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>raise

Fold pre

This guy bet pot on the turn, which for most live players is a HUGE bet. This should signify strength, fold turn.

nailed it!

Interesting phrasing....

Yeah, fold pre.

As played, I donk flop here.

As played, c/f turn.

As played, c/f river

I agree the decisions in that HH were between poor & marginal, although they were based on my reads at the time.

Results:

Why would you put him on JJ,TT or 99 (yeah sometimes live/weak players lines don't make sense but i couldn't imagine myself bluffing with a hand that has a low equity when called like JJ or TT on that board)

He probably had JT i guess

I didn't actually put him on a pocket pair specifically. I put him on a range of hands. My top guess was JT

My range was based on:
a) the preflop raise means it's a pair, paint, or a suited connector
b) the preflop raise is too small to be AA/KK with 2 active + 2 regular players behind him (I also discount QQ/JJ)
c) on the turn, he's going to fold anything worse than 99 or a good draw
d) on the turn, he's going to 3-bet a set of 8s or 3s (and probably a set of Qs or top-2 KQ)
e) AQ, QJ, QT, Q9, AK, KJ, KT all have enough showdown value he'd check behind on the river

That just leaves a few hands that are monsters, and a few hands that he hoped to improve on, missed, and would have to turn into a bluff.

I don't know how JJ or TT could bet/call turn, these hands are almost never in his range, so i guess your horrible call got rewarded because you input hands ,that you had beat, in his range while he couldn't have them like ever

lol @ putting 99 and TT in his range.

I agree they're unlikely but certainly more possible than him having AK,KJ,KT. those PPs beat lots of hands in my range: AJ, AT, A3, A8s, JTs.
furthermore they can also outdraw most of the hands I'm repping (33, 88, KQ)

There was a lot more to the decision than just hand ranges, yes they add a few % to the 'call' decision but I don't know if eliminating them would have changed my mind.

The range ur proposing gets to the river this way is so far off from any logical range for just about any non retarded player. The hand is misplayed quite badly on every street except the flop. That's all that can really be said at this point. If u keep justifying playing this hand this way ur not going to get better. No offense btw...just being honest.