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5/10 BTN vs BB - Reg Leveling Wars 5/10 BTN vs BB - Reg Leveling Wars

06-30-2015 , 01:30 AM
God this thread is tilting. Maybe it's cause I'm kinda drunk, but here goes...

Preflop- easy call, all other options would be lol horrible ainec. You have a ton of equity vs his range, you are deep, and you have position. To the au4all guy, where did you get this idea that villain isn't making a mistake 3betting w/ 97s 300bb+ deep OOP vs a (supposedly) good player? How much experience do you have playing very deep mid-high stakes live? Seriously, would love to hear a detailed thought out argument for doing anything other than calling here.

Flop- easy call, nothing much to talk about here

Turn- easy call, wouldn't hate it if you considered raising vs a different villain, but just an easy call here. Combining your raw equity w/ your implied equity when you hit vs this player, and sd value when river goes ck ck, it's your best option. You seem to be convinced he doesn't give up river at least 30 percent of the time, why? What kinda sample do you have in these spots? That seems like way too crazy of an assumption, even with your recent history. Find it hard to believe he doesn't give up at least 1/3 of the time w/ a pure air ball when he looks at that board and your actions so far on river.

River- fold. Why is it ok to call turn and fold river? B/c you don't have enough info on his triple barrel ranges in 3b pots to think you are being exploited here by over-folding river. You will have plenty of Ax, 2pairs, and sets to call him here with, even some better K7s 1 pair plus blocker hands. And if you do tank fold river, he will show if he bluffed, then you know. But at this point it would be a bigger mistake to call turn and call river, than to call turn and fold river. And clearly, folding turn is just letting him exploit the **** out of you and barrel ATC.
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06-30-2015 , 08:20 AM
what muffin man said. but
calling 3bet >>>>>>>> 4beting > folding
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07-01-2015 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
Lol yes...

He was supposed to fold dammit!
Good Lord
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07-01-2015 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by IntheNow
Preflop- easy call, all other options would be lol horrible ainec. You have a ton of equity vs his range, you are deep, and you have position.
If he's 3-betting without looking at his cards you're behind. Against this particular Villain A2o is a far better hand than 87s. We don't need a hand that makes straights or flushes. We don't need a hand to crack aces.

How do you think position helped in this hand?

Do you the Villain in this hand was upset that Hero called with a hand that was behind a range of any-two-cards? Do you think Hero is exploiting this Villain by playing a hand that has good bluff-ability/play-ability, but not much strength?
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07-01-2015 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by au4all
If he's 3-betting without looking at his cards you're behind. Against this particular Villain A2o is a far better hand than 87s. We don't need a hand that makes straights or flushes. We don't need a hand to crack aces.

How do you think position helped in this hand?

Do you the Villain in this hand was upset that Hero called with a hand that was behind a range of any-two-cards? Do you think Hero is exploiting this Villain by playing a hand that has good bluff-ability/play-ability, but not much strength?
Are you suggesting we fold 87s in position 300bb+ deep getting better than 2-1?

Are you suggesting if villain knows we will call 87s here he should be 3betting his entire range because 87s is "behind"?
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07-01-2015 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by IntheNow
Are you suggesting we fold 87s in position 300bb+ deep getting better than 2-1?
You won me over. Much better to waste 90 big blinds and then fold the river on a blank. That's the way wars are won.

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Originally Posted by IntheNow
Are you suggesting we fold 87s in position 300bb+ deep getting better than 2-1?

Are you suggesting if villain knows we will call 87s here he should be 3betting his entire range because 87s is "behind"?
You're right. If we call 87s, 3-betting is a huge mistake. He's designed to lose the war because we have a "ton of equity". We can outplay him by bluff-catching a few streets, with a plan to fold once the pot has gotten large.
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07-02-2015 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by au4all
You won me over. Much better to waste 90 big blinds and then fold the river on a blank. That's the way wars are won.



You're right. If we call 87s, 3-betting is a huge mistake. He's designed to lose the war because we have a "ton of equity". We can outplay him by bluff-catching a few streets, with a plan to fold once the pot has gotten large.
I don't need to win you over, I'm not the one with a different opinion than any good professional here with deep stack experience at these stakes, you are.

Like the 2 things I originally said in my first post that mentioned you, I would love to hear a well thought out argument for folding. And how much experience do you have in these spots? Because it seems pretty likely not that much at all. Your arguments are very basic/beginner like and limited.

But yet, you are so snarky and confident. Can't imagine being like that if you don't have a good win rate at these stakes over many hours. Do you?
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07-02-2015 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by au4all
You're right. If we call 87s, 3-betting is a huge mistake. He's designed to lose the war because we have a "ton of equity". We can outplay him by bluff-catching a few streets, with a plan to fold once the pot has gotten large.
You realize position is the single most important factor in virtually all forms of poker right?

Just because the position we are in on this particular board is a difficult situation on the turn and also the river when we get there doesn't make this a fold. There are a TON of boards and runouts where it will be more difficult for the villain.

Also, most importantly, given the description of this villain and how much of a maniac he is, we can most likely call profitably with the intent of just playing ABC for when we smash the board alone.
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07-02-2015 , 02:20 PM
This thread is great
Preflop is the easiest defend ever. Don't 5x the button vs one limper. 4x is fine 3.5
Is fine as well
Flop call
Turn call
Riv decide whether to check or bet if he checks (he should a lot) or fold/call to riv bets. ( should mostly be easy decisions)
Lol @ the kt v 66 hands major clicking going on w no regard for $ Kinda awesome tbh
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