Hero: Sat down less than 45 minutes ago so I'm basically an unknown to villains. I bought in for full, so they might not identify me as a complete fish. I've raised/cbet a couple of hands but haven't shown anything down yet.

Villain (CO): Looks like your typical internet player. Mid-20s with a hoodie and iPod. Has me covered.

Preflop: MP raises to 30, Villain (CO) calls, BTN calls, Hero (BB) calls with QJ

Thoughts: I briefly thought about squeezing but my hand plays well multiway.

Flop (120): KQ5

Checks around

Turn (120): KQ58

Hero leads for 95, MP folds, CO calls, BTN folds.

Thoughts: I lead out because I think I have the best hand and can get value from draws. I'm pretty sure CO and BTN would bet flop after MP checks if they had a K, so I'm probably getting value from hands like QT here also.

River (310):
KQ58J

Hero checks, Villain overbets $650. Hero ???

Thoughts: I check with the intention of check calling (as I don't want to have to b/f the river) but wasn't expecting this overbet. He's never betting a worse hand for value. I'm just not sure if he'd use that sizing with ATdd or 9Tdd...

As played, I'd probably fold. I wouldn't check river though.

if we bet river, what do you think we're getting value from?

i guess my thinking was that he'd take a stab with a missed diamond draw or a hand like 67 but obviously wasn't anticipating an overbet.

if he's really good, he is bluffing there a lot, since your range is pretty much capped at 1-pair hands and you're checking to call (and kinda pot control in a way) but you can't call an over bet an he knows it. thing is, most people aren't good and aren't thinking on that level so they could have just binked AT or slow played something somehow and now want to get paid. thats why i'd probably fold.

(btw, see durrrr vs safai (AQ) hand on PAD cash game, when durrrr 2x pots river)

river is a b/f since you can represent a busted draw and I don't think he will raise there without a monster against your range of 2p+ and busted draws, but might call light.

If he views you as a capable player, then I really like villain's sizing here. A bet like this with A10d and 109d would be very good imo as he can rep busted flush draws as well getting you to call somewhat light. I agree that b/f is a better line here too. He can definitely call with worse as you aren't repping great strength here.

B/f river for $175 or so. Get value from AQ, sometimes QT. As played overbets against unknowns tend to be the nuts far more often than not IMO. The only hand that makes sense as a bluff is Axdd.

I think leading turn was fine but this is a one street type of situation so I don't mind a c/c especially since your villain description suggests he is likely aggro. From what I remember of Borg 5/10 it's 2k cap, so if you are both 200bbs deep protecting stack >> protecting pot.

C/c river line is weak imo. I don't like your sizing ott. As played his range is polarized to bluffs>TPTK+. You missed your opportunity to rep a hand with a b/f line otr.

If villain is smart he knows what type of hand you have. If he thinks you are a weak player he would make this over bet with KQ+. How villain views your play is key imo.

Bet the river like 240ish your hand is a little too strong to check. I'm also torn between checking or betting the turn, qj has gotta be on the borderline.

you think villain checks behind flop with KQ?

Preflop, I think raise > call > fold, but I think it's pretty close. All options seem viable to me. If I did raise, I'd raise to $180.

I think QJ suffers from domination issues a lot more than most people think, especially multi-way, which makes it a better preflop bluffing hand than a calling hand.

If MP is tight preflop from this position and solid post-flop, I'd fold.
If MP is tight preflop from this position and spewy post-flop, I'd call.
If MP is loose preflop from this position, I'd raise.

As played, I check flop.

As played, I check turn. I hate your bet and I especially hate your sizing.

When you check the turn, you give your opponents a chance to bluff with crap like gutshots and flush draws. When you bet, they probably just snap-fold those hands, especially given your sizing.

I also think you make more money from QT, 8x and 5x by checking. I think those hands are more likely to bet themselves than they are to call a bet. Especially given how strong your bet looks. I think you're actually over-repping your hand here, which is the exact opposite of what you should be doing (remember, you're trying to get value from your hand, not bluff with it).

Also, I just don't really think there is much value to be gotten from this hand to begin with. You should be happy to just check twice more and win a small pot at showdown without contest, and there is a lot of reason to think that's exactly what will happen when you check. You're in a way-ahead-way-behind situation against very weak ranges, so there is very little reason to "protect" your crap hand here. This seems like much more of a bluff-catch-or-give-up situation to me.

As played, I bet $150 on the river.

As played, after checking the river, I fold to villain's over-bet.

He's repping [KJs QJs JJ ATdd T9dd], which is only 6 combos, which is pretty narrow. And he has a ton of hands that he might want to turn into a bluff here. But I don't think it matters. I've only seen live over-bet river bluffs three times in my life, and none of them were this stupidly large. It doesn't really make sense for him to bet this much as a bluff. He should perceive your range to be quite weak, so a small bet works much better as a bluff. I think he's spazzing out with the nuts, or trying to level you into calling with his weird sizing. I'd need special reads and probably a lot of history before I'd call here.

Edit: I guess betting the turn is good if you bluff this turn a lot, and you want to balance / merge. I guess I might be biased, because I don't think I ever bluff in this spot on the turn, but it actually seems like a pretty good bluffing spot to me, given how much weakness everyone has shown. And your turn sizing makes a lot of sense if this is also the sizing you use for your bluffs. I still think your turn bet loses value compared to checking (in a vacuum), but I guess it might be necessary to bet big here if you have a very aggressive image you're trying to maintain.

This is like ATdd 9Tdd or nothing. I think river is a fold.

I call but my fold button is broken. I don't think your hand looks like 2 pair and a strt should want some value here. Maybe if u were known to villain as a good player then it's a fold but why would he shove 2x vs an unknown who checked the river? You haven't shown any reason for him to believe you'd call right? Just doesn't make sense to me

+1 BoredAtheist, although I'm never folding this pre (and I'm a nit pre).

Hahaha... What color hoody?